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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
Subject: [gentoo-dev]  Re: new developer Joshua Nichols (nichoj)
Date:  Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:14:25 -0700
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Petteri R=E4ty posted <43839B31.2050005@gentoo.org>, excerpted below,  on
Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:26:57 +0200:

> Jochen Maes wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
>> I'd appreciate a nice welcome and a descent slap on the butt when you
>> pass him...
>>=20
>> Joshua, welcome!
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
> http://tinyurl.com/n9qb
> I hope to see this list near hundred soon!

OK, this is a gripe of mine, so...

1)  There's only the tinyurl, no indication at all of where it actually
points, or what the "list" is!  Surely, a bit of a description might be
useful.  Something like "(buglist of <whatever>)".  (I'm composing this
having gone to the URL but still have no idea of what <whatever> is,
because there's no title and the URL is too long to easily figure out
what's being searched on.)

2) The URL actually pointed to is:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=3D&short_desc_type=3Dallw=
ordssubstr&short_desc=3D&long_desc_type=3Dsubstring&long_desc=3D&bug_file=
_loc_type=3Dallwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=3D&keywords_type=3Dallwords&keywo=
rds=3D&bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED&bug_status=3DREOPENED&email=
assigned_to1=3D1&emailtype1=3Dexact&email1=3Djava%40gentoo.org&emailassig=
ned_to2=3D1&emailreporter2=3D1&emailqa_contact2=3D1&emailcc2=3D1&emailtyp=
e2=3Dsubstring&email2=3D&bugidtype=3Dinclude&bug_id=3D&votes=3D&changedin=
=3D&chfieldfrom=3D&chfieldto=3DNow&chfieldvalue=3D&cmdtype=3Ddoit&order=3D=
Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=3Dnoop&type0-0-0=3Dnoop&value0-0-=
0=3D

Obviously that's waaayyyy... too long to be of much use, so a tinyurl is
appreciated.  However, a lot of those query substrings are empty or the
default or otherwise unneeded.  Trimming the cruft should result in a
far shorter URL that actually conveys a bit of information.  With a URL o=
f
this lenth, the easiest way to do that is to paste the URL into an editor
and trim from there.  Trim a bit, then try the link to see if it still
works, then trim some more...

Here's what I came up with after a bit of trial and error.  Note that the
original URL poster, knowing what he's after and thus knowing which field=
s
are likely to be relevant, could have done the same with rather less
trouble.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED=
&bug_status=3DREOPENED&emailassigned_to1=3D1&emailtype1=3Dexact&email1=3D=
java%40gentoo.org

Still not short, so a tinyurl is still useful, but /far/ shorter than the
above, and it's actually possible to see what this one is looking for:

a) bugstatus=3DNEW/ASSIGNED/REOPENED

and=20

b) emailassigned_to=3Djava@gentoo.org (exact match).

OK, how much easier would it have been to just post this:

List of open bugs assigned to java@:
http://tinyurl.com/<whatever>


Note also that some don't like clicking on blind URLs, even with
descriptions.  Thus, optionally:

List of open bugs assigned to java@:
http://tinyurl.com/<whatever> (points to)
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED=
&bug_status=3DREOPENED&emailassigned_to1=3D1&emailtype1=3Dexact&email1=3D=
java%40gentoo.org

That way, both those who don't want to trust a blind link, and those that
are reading the list on long-url munging clients, have a link to click.=20
Further, even if the long URL ends up munged, it's possible to see what i=
t
is, and to reassemble it, if desired.

--=20
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman in
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html


--=20
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