From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Eajku-0000sO-6Q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:00:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAC0x91U014002; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:59:09 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAC0v0Ep024372 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:57:00 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EajhT-0002Z7-Vr for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:57:00 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eajg4-00057Y-Ly for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:55:32 +0100 Received: from ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:55:32 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:55:32 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:55:10 -0700 Organization: Sometimes Message-ID: References: <20051105005814.0de0d8ff@snowdrop.home> <20051111184053.780ed8c9@sven.genone.homeip.net> <20051111210958.GI12958@dst.grantgoodyear.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 7b62f98e-e0ea-40fd-9798-dcce31d0ae4b X-Archives-Hash: 8b969761c4e7f7c5bf7c55bba85979dd Grant Goodyear posted <20051111210958.GI12958@dst.grantgoodyear.org>, excerpted below, on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:09:58 -0600: > I was going to say that the only way new news items could appear is > during an emerge --sync, but of course that's not true for people who > either add an overlay or use CVS. I'd be comfortable with making it run > only at --sync time, or if it were triggered explicitly (--check-news, > or some such). I don't believe that meets the emerging consensus on the requirements: get news to as many as possible that don't get it now, and that won't go out and look for it. Others have pointed out that emerge sync is often unattended, as a cron job, so that won't get it in front of the 100% we're looking for. An explicit --check-news, while it might be nice, doesn't accomplish the task either, because that requires people to do something explicit to get it. Rather, Ciaran's take, from a post to a different subthread: > I'd say after emerge --sync, plus after an emerge --pretend and before > an emerge blah. Will there be hooks for these? We might put some sort of enews command in a new version of gentools covering current portage, before a new portage version with all the plumbing for news notifications at the times above built-in is released, but it should only be a stopgap measure. IMO it would also be wise to make the functionality feature controlled. Make a FEATURES=news, then turn it on by default, or go the negative route that is so distasteful to some on USE flags, and make it a FEATURES=nonews, emphasizing that "Gentoo" thinks it should /really/ be on by default. OTOH, the same thing could be accomplished by not making it a direct choice but simply allowing the existing rsync-exclude mechanism to do its thing, if folks set it to exclude the news subtree. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list