From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EYKuR-0008VE-5O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:04:27 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA5A3ixZ019806; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:03:44 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA5A1C4w009086 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:01:12 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EYKrH-0001Di-Lz for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:01:11 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EYKq4-00045c-KO for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:59:56 +0100 Received: from ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:59:56 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:59:56 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:58:51 -0700 Organization: Sometimes Message-ID: References: <200511010836.29453.chriswhite@gentoo.org> <200511050144.24388.jstubbs@gentoo.org> <436BAE23.40104@egr.msu.edu> <200511051408.09014.jstubbs@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 968a7daf-a367-4110-84eb-7e3ad0b980ba X-Archives-Hash: b46e7e9248707aa886703a5ead7e4920 Jason Stubbs posted <200511051408.09014.jstubbs@gentoo.org>, excerpted below, on Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:08:08 +0900: > On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote: >> As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound >> information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in >> preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be >> handled. It goes with the rest of the repo-specific information. That >> is why it should be in the tree. > > I seem to be repeating myself... What's an example of repository-specific > non-package-specific news? Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for > package-specific news? I'd say it's a matter of degree, or we'd not be having the discussion. Ideally, there's a changelog entry for /every/ commit. The specified purpose of "news" is to convey out-of-the-ordinary changes, where the Gentoo user (aka Gentoo system sysadmin) needs to be aware of something unusual, and likely take extraordinary steps to manage the upgrade. Certainly, "stable on X arch" a bunch of times as a bunch of changelog entries do not qualify as "out-of-the-ordinary", yet that's the sort of documentation of changes one expects to fine in a changelog, tho they would only be "noise" in the proposed "news" system, and shouldn't generate news messages at all. Perhaps this is something that needs further clarification in the GLEP? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list