From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19775 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 08:34:21 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 1 Sep 2004 08:34:21 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C2QZQ-0004sg-Hd for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:34:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 7273 invoked by uid 89); 1 Sep 2004 08:34:20 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 14532 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2004 08:34:19 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 01:34:15 -0700 Organization: Sometimes Message-ID: References: <20040824141120.GA9931@gentoo.org> <7E61049C-F5ED-11D8-8765-000D93283962@gentoo.org> <200408242330.33698.pauldv@gentoo.org> <20040901073242.GA8228@gentoo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-66-58.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposal: Social Contract change & What is "Gentoo" ? X-Archives-Salt: c0520714-2203-45b4-84cb-481cb6258d92 X-Archives-Hash: 88173eda852d51f736e8a877e75383e0 Sven Vermeulen posted <20040901073242.GA8228@gentoo.org>, excerpted below, on Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:32:42 +0200: > You are able to find the draft at > http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/contract.html. Comments are, as usual, > appreciated. Please give it a good read, it's not a lenghty document but > rather important one. Important, indeed. The reason I'm here and not elsewhere is because of the social contract and philosophy. I'd read the usual stuff in LWN and the various other press about build-from-source and all that, but when I started looking seriously at Gentoo, the Gentoo approach to its relationship with the community and whether and under what licenses it released its code, were the FIRST things I actually checked out. I cannot and will not support proprietary or semi-proprietary work, or I wouldn't have troubled myself jumping from MS after a decade there when I saw the light, and I would have looked elsewhere or stayed with Mandrake if I wasn't fully comfortable with Gentoo. FWIW, when I mentioned my interest in one of the newsgroups I frequent, someone mentioned the fork. I looked it up, and found it highly ironic all the accusations leveled at Gentoo, when the original choice of the GPL license was what made the fork possible in the first place, and taking Gentoo proprietary as was alleged to be part of the secret plan, extremely problematic if not impossible altogether. The contrast between those accusations and reality only emphasized the value of Gentoo and its chosen philosophy. As for the draft.. the wording of the "Gentoo" definition looks a bit shaky to me. It could be taken to lay claim to /all/ the "intellectual property" produced by Gentoo developers in the two given areas. I'm sure many are familiar with existing corporate practice to this effect. Thus, an additional clause "as they may choose to contribute it to the Gentoo and larger open source community" might be in order. Gentoo is the collection of: * free knowledge such as documentation and metadata about concepts/domains relevant to operating systems and their components, created by Gentoo developers "as they may choose to contribute it to the Gentoo and larger open source community" * free software developed by Gentoo Developers "as they may choose to contribute that too, to the Gentoo and larger open source community" ... or something to that effect, anyway... the idea being that they may have OTHER projects they are involved with, particularly as the developers are volunteers and would be /expected/ to have other jobs and commitments, and Gentoo isn't going to demand that all THAT work ALSO be made available to Gentoo. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list