From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F152B138247 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42515E0AE4; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5963FE0AAE for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F30533F5BC for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:13:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.205, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6B2INaG5WiJO for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AF7633F4B3 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jNt-0001Zw-Kj for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:12:53 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:12:53 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:12:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Question, Portage QOS v3 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <52d02d58.0b1a700a.1f2e.ffffad96@mx.google.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT 6daf184 /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: b6ed93ef-0142-4763-a1e4-c900d20521c1 X-Archives-Hash: f99282495bde181639e5219fa711d74f Igor posted on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:26:47 +0400 as excerpted: > PS No way PortageQOS will work without uniform agreement. That thing was > missing from portage design from the start and now with the legacy it's > either everyone is willing to give it a try or none. I don't want to > push somebody to something he doesn't see purpose for. There are people > here who spent lots of time on the project and it might be left as is if > they don't want any change. In that case, don't bother, because as the saying goes, attempting to get 100% agreement on /anything/ in gentoo is "like herding cats". It simply Does. Not. Work. The closest gentoo gets to 100% agreement is the ones who disagree agreeing to yield to the council's decision and shut up for the sake of maintaining the peace, believing time will eventually prove their point. Or they don't, and they ultimately end up either deciding to go elsewhere than gentoo on their own, or get booted by devrel, appeal to council goes against them, and undertakers and infra shut down their dev access permanently. In fact, some of those people ended up with exherbo (which AFAIK is a play on ex=former, and gentoo's larry the cow mascot) or other projects which you would consider entirely competing. Yet there's a few devs that contribute to both projects, and paludis is an accepted portage alternative, with PMS accepted (grudgingly by some devs) and declared by council to be a defining guideline for in-tree ebuilds. And both those projects are originally/primarily exherbo authored/contributed. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman