From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4EC13877A for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60913E0B01; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62657E0AF2 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FECA3400E7 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.158 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.158 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.155, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVbvFK7o3sf4 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3605340117 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X7Vfl-0006bQ-TY for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:19:29 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:19:29 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:19:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20140707234502.3009929a@pomiot.lan> <53C41D67.9060305@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT d447f7c /m/p/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: d5043723-d0ca-4f89-8254-ea3613ec5fdc X-Archives-Hash: 9646bb5d9108c7aa9fa167ebc90bfb2c Dirkjan Ochtman posted on Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:53:25 +0200 as excerpted: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 wrote: >> The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. > > This seems rather wildly inappropriate. WTF? FWIW, it's apparently an inside joke going back many years, possibly to before I came to gentoo over ten years ago now. I don't know how it started, however, or what the exact inside joke is, but was never really comfortable with it myself, either. Except that being a user on a dev list I feel a bit like a guest, and as a guest, unless it's criminal if those for whom it is home don't have a problem with it, I don't feel it's my place to object, more to simply uninvite myself if I'm that uncomfortable with it, and it turned out I wasn't /that/ uncomfortable with it after all. Never-the-less, it reads like there's at least some objection now from someone who /can/ rightly to call this list home, and I can't disagree with it. The comment does seem to have been inline with past norms, but I for one would consider it an improvement if I never see it here again, even if I don't find it objectionable enough to uninvite myself from the list over. Put another way, I'm ordinarily proud to mention that I'm a gentooer and gentoo-dev-list regular. I can't be proud of that comment, nor would I be particularly proud to claim that status in the context of that comment. Yet as a guest here it's not a behavior norm I have much control over, something I /could/ point out in that context. But I'd definitely be proud to be able to say that while it was an accepted norm in the past, that's no longer the case. =:^| -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman