From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 019211396D9 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B0BE2BC014; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blaine.gmane.org (unknown [195.159.176.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D93942BC003 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2qF5-0000CL-4a for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 05:02:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1528131.eIYCIZq90I@pinacolada> <1828253.28WZpOvDAz@pinacolada> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org User-Agent: Pan/0.143 (Quaint little villages here and there; 54f7ff4db) X-Archives-Salt: df134949-8567-4b8d-b576-4ff6499499cf X-Archives-Hash: b4542854bfb525f876243b15343f8c1d Andreas K. Huettel posted on Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:51:23 +0200 as excerpted: > Am Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2017, 06:24:44 CEST schrieb Alec Warner: >> >> "Please upgrade away from the 13.0 profiles in the next six weeks." >> >> > Good idea. Here's what I wrote: > > Please upgrade away from the 13.0 profiles within the six weeks after > GCC 6.4.0 has been stabilized on your architecture. The 13.0 profiles > will be deprecated then and removed in half a year. Looks good. =:^) > [I'd very much like to remove them faster, but am not sure about upgrade > paths and recommended deprecation times. It may become necessary to mask > more and more packages in the 13.0 tree over the half year since devs > will start to depend on c++11 only libraries...] Ouch. Good reason to ensure the upgrade is done, and a total of 7.5 months from the last arch upgrade does seem reasonable. Tho gentoo has historically tried to ensure at least a year's upgrade path, for those who have a year's military or volunteer service, during which they're away from their gentoo machines, for instance. Personally, I have occasionally upgraded (secondary, off-net) machines after even longer (to 2.5 years, IIRC), but that has been while keeping my main machine current, so I had a memory of how to fix breakage and the configuration of the updated machine to reference while bringing the secondary machine current, a few packages at a time. And my own position, based on that experience, is that if you've not been doing /any/ gentooing for anything close to a year, it's very likely that simply starting over with a new stage3, probably in a chroot so you can use the existing install until the new install is up and running, is going to be easier. So 7.5 months does seem reasonable, to me at least. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman