From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CD49158041 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 01:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52D0DE2AA5; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 01:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 193A1E2A9E for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 01:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rsC6L-0009q4-G2 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2024 03:41:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 01:41:08 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Pan/0.155 (Kherson; 578af3b12) X-Archives-Salt: 3e103d1d-225c-459a-8bcd-e984ff07c2be X-Archives-Hash: 97a15426658249b1143fe6d5f873cbe2 Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT posted on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:22:18 +0200 as excerpted: > Fork Gentoo, or any other distros, start a LFS… In fact, Gentoo has been forked in this way at least three times. The first time was over 20 years ago, before 2004 as I remember researching it before I switched to Gentoo myself. IDR what it was called but it had already by then pretty much fizzled out. #2 and #3 are I believe still around and there's still some healthy interaction between them and Gentoo. Funtoo is one, created by Gentoo's original founder. It still uses portage and some of portage's features are primarily used there. As a result, their contributions back to portage have continued to make it better for all users. The other IDR the name (maybe Herb...?, with paludis as the package-manager) but PMS, the package-management-specification, that defines a portage- and package-- manager independent spec and the EAPI that packages use, is one of the major efforts to come of it as they split off. And while most gentooers still use portage, pms is the reason other package managers can really work at all, and the thing much of the automated CI testing uses now, making it a BIG benefit to Gentoo. So forking is a legitimate and respected if not necessarily pleasant while it's happening route to go, and often, some contributions from the process continue to be useful to and benefit both forks for many years after the fork. While forks do generally mean duplication of effort in some areas and are often unpleasant to go through, the results aren't necessarily all bad, particularly when viewed with an appreciation that people often aren't paid for their work and could simply quite contributing entirely, which means the duplication of effort isn't all negative if it still means more contributions to the community than would happen if they just quit. So if Gentoo's not doing it for you, in addition to the option of creating your own fork being a not necessarily entirely bad option, there's two other existing forks you might wish to look into, in case they're a better fit for you than Gentoo. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman