From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC9813877A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEE67E095D; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED4FBE094F for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CEB34021E for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.835 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.835 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.465, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5BLTX1GK2JBe for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60A41340253 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XDA4h-0007sU-AG for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:28:35 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:28:35 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:28:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: About current ppc/ppc64 status Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1406316517.20388.22.camel@gentoo.org> <20140726153904.GA13389@linux1> <20140726162011.GB13389@linux1> <201407261832.01411.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20140726171940.GA14029@linux1> <53DB5545.7050505@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT d447f7c /m/p/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 4732a732-9e34-4c6a-803b-3c6ae19970d1 X-Archives-Hash: 4d0b1020836c34bb951f825bbe082bcf Raúl Porcel posted on Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:52:21 +0200 as excerpted: > But almost all arches except amd64/x86/arm are getting less and less > popular: > > alpha: no new hardware in more than 8+ years > hppa: being phased out IIRC, and no new workstations > (ie, graphics/sound) in 5+ years > ia64: no new workstations in 10 years, new servers are expensive > ppc*: new workstations are expensive > sparc: no new workstations in 7+ years, new servers expensive > > One of the reasons they are being killed, IMHO, its that the power > consumption isn't worth, and an amd64 machine is pretty much more > powerful, has more cores, and cheaper and has a lot less power > consumption. While to nowhere near the same degree, I'd suggest x86 (32-bit) is getting less popular now too, at least for gentoo with our focus on end- user software building. It'll certainly be awhile before it's in the minor-arch camp, but amd64 definitely has the mainline focus now and if x86 installs are keeping up with retirements I'd be very surprised. Amd64 is probably maintaining but I doubt it's increasing much. In terms of usage, tho for different reasons I guess arm is about where amd64 was when I switched to it in 2003, and to gentoo a few months later in early 2004 -- in gentoo they could be challenging x86 for #2 in a few years tho I'm not ready to predict they'll challenge amd64 any time soon. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman