From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348B51381F3 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 02:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01997E09E8; Thu, 2 May 2013 02:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01223E09E5 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 02:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4298633E017 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 02:11:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.040, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.509, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OoQB-Mv_Orbx for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 02:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D77133E009 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UXizn-0007kc-Rv for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 02 May 2013 04:11:43 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 04:11:43 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 04:11:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 02:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20130501135427.GA2837@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20130501185203.GA3768@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT f3d4165 /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 2e13dffa-8162-4374-b50b-e64a4f4f1b1f X-Archives-Hash: 0a78a332584230c1209c153b49f66039 Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted: >> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy". >> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and >> you're very welcome, but also people who want to have fun with new >> stuff should get the same respect. > > You mean the respect you've shown me in this email, in my "little > world"? *swoon* > you hero. I give up trying to be polite in the face of such crap, it's > more than I can stomach. > >> Implementing new stuff also means making things easier, especially in >> the systemd case. > > LMAO. You go girl, strut that nonsense like it means something. > No way, sunshine. [...] Or at very least be polite when someone queries > it. Unfortunately, I believe the above demands a public post... The above is taking it too far. Please take a bit of time to cool off if you need it, then apologize, or if you choose not to do that, refrain from further posts to the list. (I don't necessarily agree with all he posted and in fact had some of the same questions you did about optional being made non-optional, but (despite the "little world" comment which I agree was going a bit far, but just because he did, you didn't have to go one worse) he wasn't getting personal to the degree you did above, and the elements of your reply above simply have no place on this list. If indeed it is more than you can stomach and you can't at least be polite and avoid going personal, you really do need to consider getting off the list. The list has been rather better lately as to their credit people /have/ been keeping it civil despite obviously strong disagreements. There's no place for this sort of personal name calling by analogy on this list now, and despite past history to the contrary, never was or at least never should have been. So if you insist on taking it to that level, do it elsewhere.) (Just to make clear I'm just a gentoo user and list participant too. I've no authority to kick you from the list, but I can make clear that as part of the gentoo community, /I/ don't like that behavior, and believe it far enough out of bounds to ask for an apology. What others with said authority do after that isn't up to me.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman