From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DED1381F3 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7866E0B10; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC08CE0AFF for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3188133BE50 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:50:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.514, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.522, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tmOLarqq0DCy for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 125C333E6C8 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UqIaC-0003Kq-Ld for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 09:50:04 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 09:50:04 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 09:50:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for testing: plasma-active Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <51C4E0B7.4070606@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT 459f52e /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Cc: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 3af14d6a-3af0-4789-a3bd-94170cf70110 X-Archives-Hash: 0475b1d28978c9b7f594206db5b6ee11 Chris Reffett posted on Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:24:39 -0400 as excerpted: > The KDE team has added Plasma Active to the KDE overlay, under the > (provisional) category name kde-active. Plasma Active is based on KDE > and is designed for mobile devices. We are not able to test it at > present as none of the KDE team has a mobile device running Gentoo, so > we would be very appreciative if community members would help us by > testing and reporting bugs to us. To install it, add the overlay (layman > -a kde) and emerge all of the packages in the kde-active category. This seems like the best opportunity I'm likely to get to ask (as a kde user)... Just what /is/ plasma-active as opposed to kde? It it (essentially) a different desktop (umm... "mobiletop"?) entirely, built by the same people but with a different (mobile) target? If kde and plasma-active are both installed, does a fair portion of the config carry over (do they use the same user config dirs?) or not? If I run a kde app on the plasma- active "mobiletop", does it still use it's kde settings, or does it use separate plasma-active settings now? What about non-kde apps, gtk, etc? With kde, there's a kde settings color option to use the same colors on non-kde apps. Does that apply to plasma-active as well? FWIW I have a netbook (generation 1.5 acer aspire one aoa150, one of the first with a 100-gig plus standard SATA hard drive, but still old enough it avoided the infamous intel netbook graphics driver issues as it still used the standard driver) that I'm running gentoo on, currently with kde 4.8, IIRC. But I don't normally use the "net" part of netbook and I've never (successfully) configured the wireless. It plugs in to ethernet at home, but primarily it's for mobile unnetworked "stand-alone" use. Would this be an appropriate plasma-active platform, or does plasma- active make too many assumptions about being basically constantly net- connected to be viable on my "unnetbook"? So far I've stayed away from plasma-active, mostly because I assumed it wanted constant connection, but also because I wasn't sure about the above. But if it works reasonably without a net connection and runs normal apps reasonably, it could be worth at least testing, giving you some testing and feedback as well as me some hands-on with it. Oh, and it doesn't require semantic-desktop or the like, I hope. Because I need that like I need another hole in my head. See below. Semantic-desktop: Just so you guys know, as I said, I need semantic- desktop about as much as I need another hole in my head, so I'm **VERY** not happy with the 4.11 changes. I spent quite a bit of time patching the 4.10.80 ebuilds to kill the semantic-desktop once again, and developed a user-epatch-like framework to automatically apply the patches to updates as they come in, but either due to that or due to some other bug in this first 4.11 beta, activities are broken (a kde restart always starts with a new activity, and the existing customized activities aren't listed so I must start from scratch every time... but the panel config carries over just fine... shrug). Even if it worked, however, I'm unsure of the maintainability apart from upstream gentoo/kde over time. But as I said, I need semantic-desktop like I need another hole in my head, and with all the changes in kde during the kde4 timeframe, I'm far less dependent on kde now than I was for the kde3 -> kde4 upgrade, so I may simply drop my kde desktop entirely, and switch to something else. I guess I'll find out over time, but it would make things a *LOT* simpler if you'd simply reconsider forcing semantic-desktop. Because much like my going to all the effort to jump to Linux and drop MS, after which there was no going back, there's no going back to semantic-desktop for me. The additional hole in the head is a reasonable analogy in that regard and I'll rather be dropping kde entirely if it comes to that. But I'd rather not have to do that and have to look for something else, if it's avoidable. (razor-qt? enlightenment? Something else?) Not that I expect it to change any decisions, but now you know the pain it's causing here, at least. And I'd certainly be delighted if you /do/ reconsider. Otherwise... well, maybe there'll be a kde4-sunset overlay and I'll have others to help too, or maybe I'll simply find something else eventually... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman