From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12194 invoked by uid 1002); 28 Aug 2003 20:29:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 8478 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 20:29:16 -0000 To: Spider Cc: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org References: <1062076911.3455.116.camel@rivendell> <200308281600.13232.pauldv@gentoo.org> <20030828194416.189ef484.spider@gentoo.org> From: dams@idm.fr Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:35:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030828194416.189ef484.spider@gentoo.org> (spider@gentoo.org's message of "Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:44:16 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop X-Archives-Salt: 6df1dfa3-b5cd-422e-bfd4-49283f59b38e X-Archives-Hash: 7ad1b5aab501e8e967c79259215cc621 Spider said: > > 9) Decisions and communications > All theese things need to be properly discussed and in the open. I was > shocked to find out I suddenly got a manager who thought I was to run my > decisions about including applications to the Gnome desktop by them, as > well as the idea of a single uniformed Gentoo desktop is completely > -appalling- to me. What does that mean? do you already hate me ? :) C'mon, I started with the classical linux desktop description (mdk, rh, ...) and made it fight with your vision of gentoo desktop. Sad but true, the only answerwe have is that we don't want their desktop. But every propositions to change things from the vanilla state won't fit everybody. So the bottom line is the vanilla state, for now. I'm trying to make you all react so that we can find something else. We won't agree on menu structure, because some of us will find that it's too intrusive. Why change the background of frame buffer, loader, and not the DE background? And if you change the background with a big G, then why not change the default theme? Each time we'll want to change a little thing, we will fight, argue, and so on, because we want to have a gentoo desktop without changing anything. I'd say : let don't do "gentoo desktop"! we just maintain the desktop vanilla stuff. Default config is the vanilla one, changed to fit the (non desktop) modification that have been done to the core gentoo. If the guy wants an unified menu, he emerges the menu system, we provide the good config file. If he wants a background for the frame buffer, he can put one himself... That's the best solution : let's customize every pieces without thinking about the global desktop experience. The user will choose which pieces to put together. I think that's the debian desktop. That's not that bad, debian desktop is rock solid, stable, good looking once configured, and powerfull if you install the powerfull stuff. But you seem to want something else... > In this regard the ruling cabal (ie, management) > have flunked completely and their actions , and more > importantly, inactions are to be questioned. This whole process could > have been dealt with far nicer. I'm sorry about that, I learned I could be the desktop leader 10 mins before we argue together on irc. -- dams -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list