From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVqPp-0007lu-7y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:47:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8FE4E04AF; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C74AE0484 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172D266277 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:47:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.007 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.268, BAYES_50=0.001, SARE_BEASTUD=0.26] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZStWLlaxa6i for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A8A666DD for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JVqPa-0007Vn-LG for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:47:38 +0000 Received: from adsl-ull-35-42.48-151.net24.it ([151.48.42.35]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:47:38 +0000 Received: from flameeyes by adsl-ull-35-42.48-151.net24.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:47:38 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: flameeyes@gmail.com (Diego 'Flameeyes' =?utf-8?Q?Petten=C3=B2?=) Subject: [gentoo-dev] One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:47:28 +0100 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-ull-35-42.48-151.net24.it User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SO8fcqXyl8mB58DtHblL3NEX4ng= Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: c41650c2-9927-491c-9a51-be382b8a7f67 X-Archives-Hash: b5321a13dbe7abf71e6177fa0b750450 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think it's worth trying requesting it at least. In the past two years we had quite a few applications from students that were already full-fledged Gentoo developers. I sincerely would like that this year we put as a rule that Gentoo developers cannot partecipate in Summer of Code as students for Gentoo. I'm not asking to penalise Gentoo developers are students. But I sincerely think the main goal of Summer of Code is to allow new people to enter the scene of Free Software, to understand how Free Software projects work and so on. Gentoo Developers are already pretty well "inside" this world. I think it should be a self-made decision to abstain from applying as a student for what you already partecipate in, but as such concerns don't seem to be widespread (at least as the last two years shown), I'm asking for a formal decision to all the developers. If that is requested, I'm even willing to bring this in front of the council. Gentoo's ranks are quite reduced nowadays, and a few persons have shown conerns about our current recruiting methods being able to judge clearly technical and social skills, as well as the time one is ready to pour into the project. I think SoC could be used as a pretty good recruiting method: as you are going to work quite a bit with the student, you can easily judge availability and technical and social skills. Leaving SoC applications open to developers means wasting this opportunity. There are many other organisations partecipating, I think it would be quite feasible for Gentoo developers wanting to be a student SoC to choose another one, in which they are not involved already. Yes it's easier for them to do something for Gentoo as they are already contributing, but that is not the point of Summer of Code, the point is to introduce new people into projects, not giving money to people to do what they already do. And just to take a stance, even if this request is to be rejected, I'm not going to mentor a student that is already a Gentoo developer, for sure. So to be clear, I'm not trying to look down to anybody, I don't even want to stop people from being paid for their work. I just wish that we can focus this opportunity to improve the Gentoo project as a whole. =2D-=20 Diego "Flameeyes" Petten=C3=B2 http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHyswRe2h1+2mHVWMRAg3qAKDZgeZf95QtPmLd2KFXqxqcxmRUPwCeJ2zi 8Ew73legdUXQV+KfiK7yqAo= =QlxN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list