From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVtoU-0005ri-VQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:25:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FCEBE0678; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB81E0678 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8D665128 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:25:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.131 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.131 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.132, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtAa6zn3vyOn for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49944653FB for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JVtoF-00012d-JN for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:25:19 +0000 Received: from adsl-ull-35-42.48-151.net24.it ([151.48.42.35]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:25:19 +0000 Received: from flameeyes by adsl-ull-35-42.48-151.net24.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:25:19 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: flameeyes@gmail.com (Diego 'Flameeyes' =?utf-8?Q?Petten=C3=B2?=) Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:25:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200803021948.56349.bangert@gentoo.org> <47CAF9D1.6020303@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-ull-35-42.48-151.net24.it User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aQMfSsHCBBmJbFOHy8lVqlmkuBg= Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: ccba1376-051e-4caf-b6ab-ca10984b26d2 X-Archives-Hash: 71bf74354a74424b4b94789033d5368b --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Freeman writes: > Do we inspire them by telling them that anybody who has made this choice > in the past is not to be rewarded financially for doing so? This brings up a different point of view too. Why should just somebody be rewarded financially and not someone else? Why only people who are still in school, and not people who left school? I don't even want to think what might happen if there was something like Debian's DunkTank flame in here. > A bigger concern is this. Which is better for gentoo? Taking somebody > who has never worked on gentoo and paying them money to possibly > accomplish something on the project, or taking somebody who is already > doing quite a bit and pay them so that they can accomplish even more > without the distraction of a day job? Do you think that $4500 (which is, by now, less than =E2=82=AC3000) during = the summer will stop anybody already contributing from finding a day job? I sincerely don't think so. It does, though, help new people to _try_ working on Free Software. Students paid for SoC don't need to find a temporary job for that summer to build up experience (which is what I suppose most students would like to do, you can't expect a huge pay for three months of work _in the summer_), it's a good pay, for three months of work, but it's far from being a pay good enough for anybody to actively stop looking for a job. They will have to understand, though, that Gentoo is not a job and you won't end up always being paid to help that. Sincerely, I find the "without the distraction of a day job" argument to be pretty silly. How can an eventual, possible, not sure at all, and for sure not stable, check of =E2=82=AC3000 once an year stop anybody from find= ing a dayjob? It's like counting on winning the lottery twice an year to sustain yourself. I live with my parents still, in the past years I had unstable jobs (paying more than =E2=82=AC3000) during the start of the year= and then had almost nothing between spring and winter, I have no monthly expenses, and I still struggle to find money to buy a new box. It might be an added incentive to get experience in Free Software rather than as a third-grade programmer helper in a small software company with most of the stable programmers taking weeks off for the summer, but for sure can't replace a stable job. =2D-=20 Diego "Flameeyes" Petten=C3=B2 http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHyv8We2h1+2mHVWMRAu55AKDiEgmTB9kjHXvVrSC4QiybjNp6tQCgvfIE 0BgwBYIX4jD7U7FfILvfbrA= =Z5kF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list