From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org)
by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
(envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-40452-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>)
id 1Ny8lO-0003YQ-SC
for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:12:11 +0000
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB972E0C53;
Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-pw0-f53.google.com (mail-pw0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6979E099C
for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:12:04 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by pwj10 with SMTP id 10so2039234pwj.40
for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references
:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type
:content-transfer-encoding;
bh=RyqGVA22+pomFfmb16oK3gnks5DfdCf515+PigwE7H8=;
b=UEb7it3/y5XY+y9BEMQBepKva1O98LdX7qOdZbfcpFDaHxLiOic6ssRRKSe4sMkQbd
mDU0J23Xpk2wKLK14bu54gFgAW84s0sR1VNBzEAPUMLHA/F1V2rWb2WV0TGa5XfGCG6n
OewJZip81syDNXW566DNXADoVI/56x2KwgwuM=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to
:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
b=UgKHxxJJbrJC3TudkScEnYvMy6yg7K6PiKLeUV+TdUFKYX7SV3B/5q35RfPjJjv97u
0TB9XrQWZNHNNAH7fOWbtz9vcjgVBPGD1+MnuxsD/4q9tMLK6qa9ArVZvydLVqMdwpRi
Bh4v0HikQ+3dwk6fCNv/WQ93UtzW8+ZjYARIk=
Precedence: bulk
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.142.217.15 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:12:03 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <4BB70C99.1000607@gentoo.org>
References: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de>
<4BB70C99.1000607@gentoo.org>
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:12:03 -0400
Received: by 10.143.24.6 with SMTP id b6mr1209323wfj.278.1270321923669; Sat,
03 Apr 2010 12:12:03 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <l2r2e0007041004031212xae87e85fq255d41746cdacbff@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?
From: Jacob Godserv <jacobgodserv@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Archives-Salt: 27503ae7-4f68-4b57-abc3-96d477809a29
X-Archives-Hash: 8fa2e72448e0d9696ca7b10a1d02bc03
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 05:38, Petteri R=E4ty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:
> My perception from the outside is also that it's sometimes hard to offer
> help. So if we now that we are busy then let's try to embrace others
> doing the work.
This is also what I have observed. I think Gentoo needs appear to be
much more focused on how to let people contribute, rather than how to
filter/monitor contributions. There's too much discussion about how
something is bad and why it shouldn't happen in the documentation and
mailing list, and too little about what can be done to make sure the
contribution, idea, or user(s) get included.
One specific example I can give is the developer status itself. Gentoo
developers are responsible for everything, including maintenance. This
is not a bad thing, if it's part of a greater developer ecosystem. All
successful projects I've observed survive on half of the work, at
least, being done by volunteers, and the developers are there to
simply review the work before it is applied.
As far as I can tell, creating an inviting atmosphere, in which the
developers listen and react to the community, is essential to the
continued survival of Gentoo.
Yea, this one of those long-term things that sounds awesome in theory
but is hard to do right. However, I think the sooner ideas like these
are discussed and possibly implemented, the sooner we don't have
threads like these in the mailing list. I am encouraged that Gentoo
developers are considering how to regroup themselves.
--=20
Jacob
"For then there will be great distress, unequaled
from the beginning of the world until now =97 and never
to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut
short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the
elect those days will be shortened."
Are you ready?