From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9071381F3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E6BCE093A; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5897DE092C for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D1D33BDD3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:05:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.000, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.093, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AFnnnbT9GSmj for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8650133DF3D for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrVjo-0003yM-UL for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:05:00 +0200 Received: from ppp118-209-96-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net ([118.209.96.21]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:05:00 +0200 Received: from kensington by ppp118-209-96-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:05:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Michael Palimaka Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:04:44 +1000 Message-ID: References: <1372164171.99503.YahooMailNeo@web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1372172964.1496.YahooMailNeo@web120804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp118-209-96-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 In-Reply-To: <1372172964.1496.YahooMailNeo@web120804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Archives-Salt: 08d5edaf-a1f4-4dd5-8e18-1317ed1e229b X-Archives-Hash: fa5daedfbd44c6b08e1074e6362053b6 On 26/06/2013 01:09, Egg Plant wrote: > According to Pavlos Ratis proposal, it will be another channel of communication. I am not protesting to setup an unofficial channel there. > > I am fearing that it will gradually become an avenue for talent show, similar to other binary distros. That is why I am against to make it official channel. What makes it official or not? Does it make any practical difference? > Video is more attractive than Text or still photo. > > Several developers, who can afford the resources, will gradually shift their communication to that channel. It's somewhat cyclic dependency or chain reaction. It will just increase our workload (of gentoo development awareness). More fragmentation & distraction as well as other technical problems mentioned by others & me. Perhaps some will. Does that matter? There is already plenty of "fragmentation" - we have over 70 IRC channels and 60 mailing lists, not to mention blogs, wikis, overlays and countless other methods of development and communication. As Rich said, everyone has their favourite medium and every medium is not suitable for every person. > I don't want any unnecessary attention from some Computer Science students (unable to get a job at Microsoft or Apple! sorry, I don't like to be that hard) to show their talent and gift me with another unstable, unreliable, expectation only, useless distro. I am not sure what this has to do with hangouts. > Change is good, only if it improves our life. For colourfull life there are other things one can play with. > > The resourcefull developers/users can meet each other at Gentoo Miniconf and similar other gatherings in real world. That will make us more human. Again, Rich was spot on here. A quick search of reveals that it would have taken me approximately 30-40 hours in transit and $4,000-$6,000 in flights alone to have attended the Miniconf. > [P.S.: request you to read my first mail once again, I am not totally against this type of activity. Everything has it's place & time.] > > =========== > I'm yet a learner, warn me if I'm doing any wrong... [|:-) > > Best regards, Michael