From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BBD1381F3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D609FE08ED; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3F02E086B for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D7F33BDD3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:29:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.000, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.093, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DnBzCBBZJI_Q for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0892233E502 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrTJ0-0002Cm-Lu for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:29:10 +0200 Received: from ppp118-209-96-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net ([118.209.96.21]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:29:10 +0200 Received: from kensington by ppp118-209-96-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:29:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Michael Palimaka Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:29:01 +1000 Message-ID: References: <1372164171.99503.YahooMailNeo@web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp118-209-96-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 In-Reply-To: <1372164171.99503.YahooMailNeo@web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Archives-Salt: cae144aa-bddc-497c-ad4c-bab674b1afb3 X-Archives-Hash: 67354d74914b87eb302249b8ac7c0bf6 On 25/06/2013 22:42, Egg Plant wrote: > I don't know whether a new gentoo user like me have any say here, I would like to point out some problems about this proposal ! > > 1. Video requires high bandwidth internet, so useless in developing countries, where even today you can not think of 24x7 internet. Yes, there are Broadband, 3G, 4G, ... just as advertisement, no real speed or reliability, or you may say we can not bear the huge cost. > > > 2. Gentoo is not backed by any public invested company or private company, no corporation. So there is nobody to show your monthly/quarterly progress, nothing to hide intelligently. That is why I'm here. > > 3. I am subscribed to almost all mailing lists (I think it's justified for a newcomer), so already getting huge mails. There is IRC for realtime communication, which is easily configurable in any computing device, no big price, no hidden code (atleast for the client), no high bandwidth network, no battery drain. > > 4. More communication channels will just create fragmentation & distraction. Installing & maintaing Gentoo is already a big work, now if I have to check regularly the huge Mailing lists, IRC, Bugzilla, git and now you are saying about Google Hangout, may be later someone will say about Twitter, Facebook, .... I am just finished. It will just waste our time. FYI, I am not a Computer Science student/engineer/researcher. > > [N.B.: Gentoo is different from other distros, every user need to be half developer/tester here. It's not as polished/finished as the binary distros (atleast what they want to be). It provides choice, ultimate customization, which is not a child play. Users like to be aware of what is cooking with the ebuilds & sourcecode, what will eventually come within a couple of months to their stable system, unlike 6 months of testing interval in binary distros.] > > 5. I do'nt know whether people outside of UK, USA, Australia, Canada, Germany and elites of India, South Africa are at all comfortable with spoken english, I mean to speak. So language will be a big barrier for this type of your promotional activity. > > [N.B.: I am neither considering Gentoo because some Hero/Idol said so or helping me out, nor just Stumbleupon it, I am here after trying other distros and lots of associated frustration. Distrowatch is there to maintain the Linux Distro Stock Exchange.] > > 6. other members already stated some other valid reasons against it, I'm not repeating. > > 7. It can be ok if you or somebody else do it as an unofficial effort, don't request the teams to make it another official channel. > > 8. For promotional activities, I would like to have an YouTube/ channel on getting started type video tutorial, or developer's interview etc, specially during new Live DVD releases, Gentoo birthday, 25th December (people will have one week to play with Gentoo). If possible, make it multilingual or atleast provide multilingual subtitle. > > 9. On a different note, I would like to have the Handbook split into different parts: 1. Getting started (installation in Qemu/Virtualbox preferably), 2. Advanced Network configuration, 3. Software Management in details, 4. System/Service management (OpenRC, Systemd). The big book for a newcomer is toooo boring. > I know it's not the right place, just a comment for now! > > > =========== > I'm yet a learner, warn me if I'm doing any wrong... [|:-) > > These are all good reasons to not use Hangouts. Fortunately, there was nothing in the proposal to suggest that it will be required for anyone, or that it will replace any existing source of information. Therefore anyone who chooses not to make use of Hangouts will not otherwise be affected by them.