From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RnGwE-0000Jg-UH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:51:31 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8409E09E3; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA43E0732 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA401B4022 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.205, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.164, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vVkuPwYJwwb2 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6581B4011 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RnGv8-0002Br-Cl for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:50:22 +0100 Received: from 109.176.147.123 ([109.176.147.123]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:50:22 +0100 Received: from slong by 109.176.147.123 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:50:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steven J Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Followup-To: gmane.linux.gentoo.devel Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:00:06 +0000 Organization: Friendly-Coders Message-ID: References: <4F0440B3.4090500@gentoo.org> <20120106160719.GB18959@fury> <201201080047.27281.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20120108103345.382b8db3@pomiocik.lan> <20120110181452.GA14155@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> <20120110194640.7696d2c7@pomiocik.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 109.176.147.123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 99244e4a-251c-4f4b-b3a7-bb7db0ec4a27 X-Archives-Hash: 3f1c190450e20e074a779696294de7c7 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:14:52 +0100 > Enrico Weigelt wrote: >=20 >> * Micha?? G=C3=B3rny schrieb: >>=20 >> > Does working hard involve compiling even more packages statically? >>=20 >> I guess, he means keeping udev in / ? >=20 > Because adding 80 KiB of initramfs hurts so much? We should then put > more work just to ensure that admin doesn't have to waste 15 minutes to > recompile the kernel (if necessary), create an initramfs and add it to > bootloader config? >=20 Isn't it also a question of making sure the new "rootfs is initfs" metaph= or=20 will always work, which requires all the standard utilities, plus any adm= in=20 stuff that might be required, to be available in cases of system-recovery= ? The latter is already somewhat nebulous for a lot of people, which is why= =20 it's nice when distributions do it for you (traditionally by making tools= =20 available on the rootfs.) Point is, those utilities all need to be kept up to date with any changes= in=20 the underlying packages, which adds another layer of complexity (and may=20 require some static builds.) --=20 #friendly-coders -- We're friendly, but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)