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From: Denis Dupeyron To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 760e3f25-0b38-4c6e-9e35-c0e80cf44043 X-Archives-Hash: a69a2fde12c921bb67da967e7a36cfb2 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Richard Freeman wrote: > I think the problem is that our recruitment process uses the ability to > answer complex technical and organizational questions as a way to assess > maturity. =A0I think that maturity is far more important than technical s= kill > in a distro - a mature person will recognize their own limitations and > exercise due diligence when stepping outside of them. =A0Instead of playi= ng 20 > questions and going back and forth with recruits, maybe a better approach > would be to cut down the questions dramatically (or more clearly put thei= r > answers in the documentation), and then use other approaches like referen= ces > and interviews. =A0A new recruit might be given the names of 5 devs that = they > will need to interview with for 30-60 minutes by phone or IRC (preference= on > phone), and they will need to submit references, who will be contacted. > =A0When we hire people at work we don't play trivial pursuit with them, w= e use > an interview to get a feel for what they're like and how they handle > situations, and we screen resumes and references to determine experience. > =A0I'm sure any of the professional linux distros would work in the same = way, > but perhaps somebody should ask around and see how it is done elsewhere. All ideas regarding improving recruitment are welcome, thanks. However if, during your review, you were not given the impression that your maturity and other social skills were being assessed then you were being blissfully naive. :o) I use tricks like pretending I don't understand that crystal-clear thing you're explaining to gauge your patience and politeness, I drift off to real-life topics to find out who the recruit really is, and lots of others like background searches (also outside of gentoo) and talks with the mentor. On the other hand, in your particular case, I clearly remember the assessment was easy and thus I didn't insist too much. Which is what probably made it more difficult for you to notice. Denis.