From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ny3ab-0006Hx-Fc for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:40:41 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81DBCE098F; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532FCE0798 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2348166bwz.10 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gFf4wFHnKOFpdnNt4/zXEi3oya8EFloWZMeE4UpcyTc=; b=FkKvLP1OP63iiTMhYP2Y1qy421TfUmoF9fcuNjUxkfguyJAUTCMOM/R989zxMJuiRq EWVlWWsxWp/V+FzU69MsJMVtDLRW37kTOM9fy7WO0Qcq6xpwovy69+y5qbbeRq2ypgcF XayDxKSrhnrYTUH7DdUMI8iJE/ksW/qUWXEvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hoK5aDTipyh8toX9ekVX2eg0JVYqO7KPzOrESWMwLXKubWosvrq9NAvkYrfv1sanLz 11E0yHF6UGre3c0k2u7ES/v6+INnp9DOSOchZguMq+4IZ4ZUsuVTQH6RMxhr30WeXstc QTw1Bma+nUS1cGq70iZ5bMosEaP06TYThOmaM= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.33.199 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:40:20 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: daa4ae5a5eace705 Received: by 10.204.175.68 with SMTP id w4mr4254659bkz.163.1270302020320; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f8c4d4cf-e20f-46ea-aa75-872db5de820a X-Archives-Hash: 3b411782636ffd1643f2067f3197e510 On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freeman wrote: > I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Rig= ht > now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo dev > and to help somebody become a Gentoo dev. =C2=A0That means we have great = people, > but not many of them. I agree. So what can we do to improve this process? I myself am not fond of the quizzes, and from what I've seen most recruits find them tedious as well. It can be quite demotivating, maybe because it reminds one too much of highschool or something. I took a long time myself to finish them, and that wouldn't have been necessary, as my mentors ensured me I was ready to become a dev. And I see the same thing happening with some of my own recruits. They can be ready, but just find the quizzes a chore. So I think we need to rethink how to do this. What I have found very helpful is to have my recruits working on actual ebuilds. The sunrise project is ideally qualified to mold ebuild editors into shape. Working on official overlays such as qting-edge and/or doing proxy maintenance is also very helpful. Recruiters (with some additional manpower) could make a list of technical issues that recruits need to be aware of, and then gather a number of ebuilds that display these problems and let recruits correct some of these, under guidance of their mentors. This may possibly be more fun and closer to the actual work that is required of developers. Of course this doesn't address the organizational side of things, so we need to come up with something else for that. Another problem I see is that our documentation seems to be scattered all over the place. I propose that we make at least one portal page for (prospective) developers that will link them to all the resources they might need. It also means our existing documentation needs to be brought and kept up to date. Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? --=20 Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer