From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-41279-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1OOufz-0000eP-Of for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:37:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE968E0AF5; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB0E0A5C for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB281B4178 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:36:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.766 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.581, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DGNf-8NkRiAA for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692F71B41A3 for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lnx-gentoo-dev@m.gmane.org>) id 1OOufK-0001Ev-K8 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:36:34 +0200 Received: from athedsl-392814.home.otenet.gr ([79.131.86.108]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:36:34 +0200 Received: from realnc by athedsl-392814.home.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:36:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org connect(): No such file or directory From: Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:36:31 +0300 Organization: Lucas Barks Message-ID: <hvar1n$fln$1@dough.gmane.org> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <20100616074319.5263d7b5@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: athedsl-392814.home.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100522 Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20100616074319.5263d7b5@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> X-Archives-Salt: d48eb196-76c5-4d09-a5de-d66c3c7dbfd0 X-Archives-Hash: 2f3993c0ff54ee95f60bcb8105de5690 On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 > Sebastian Pipping<sping@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. >> >> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the >> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. > > That's a conclusion first, then a premise? > >> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo >> Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of >> Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad >> behavior is. The term "Acceptable behaviour" may make sense as a >> counterpart to "Unacceptable behaviour" but feels like "what you can >> get away with" to me anyhow. > >> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be >> a friendly community? Has it always been that way? > > What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who, where, > when, what channel, thread? > >> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel >> is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? > > When did you point this out to devrel? > [... snip ...] Those replies are a good example of the rude behavior the poster is referring to. The replies consisted of sarcastic questions in "you're an idiot" style. The only thing they do is trying to trigger a hostile response from the poster. Very good example of tone in Gentoo.