From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KpCvU-00010M-6a for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E16C3E01A5; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91096E01A5 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489C66476C for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.699 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.833, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id foNCLy3QpqtS for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AF26473A for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KpCvA-0006l7-RQ for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:33 +0000 Received: from 91.84.89.218 ([91.84.89.218]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:32 +0000 Received: from slong by 91.84.89.218 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:12:32 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects without a homepage, and valid contents of HOMEPAGE (per bug 239268) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:00:56 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20081005104420.GE15949@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <20081005212329.3ac8b68e@googlemail.com> <200810052355.43253.bangert@gentoo.org> <200810061559.46534.rbu@gentoo.org> <1223717553.12907.52.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 91.84.89.218 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.9 Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 381a3812-a285-457b-b1a0-b86f1e1ea818 X-Archives-Hash: 5bb75cccc73d854a60e38f5a7b629ccd Peter Volkov wrote: > Robert Buchholz ?????: >> Thilo Bangert wrote: >> > HOMEPAGE=3D"http://this-package-has-no-homepage.gentoo.org/" >>=20 >> Why not use our package site for this, i.e. >> HOMEPAGE=3D"http://packages.gentoo.org/package/${CAT}/${PN}" >=20 > This is not homepage. HOMEPAGE should point to "package dependent > information" or in other words to upstream. Er it is package-specific, and this is for where there is no upstream. > Same stands to existent or nonexistent link on gentoo.org or any other > domain. This is even worth as this solution also makes users to open > another page which just tell them that homepage does not exist... > No, the packages site links to a forum search (I'd personally make that a 'site:forums.gentoo.org' google search across the board, since it's so much handier, and get some adsense bucks while you're there;) and a bugzilla search, as well as giving information about all the available versions in the tree. You should check it out ;p =20 > So I think if HOMEPAGE does not exist then it's better either put some > constant there or better make it empty. If we wish, for packages with > empty HOMEPAGE we can teach tools like emerge -s or eix to show "Home > page unknown" or "Homepage does not exist". Simple and clear, what else > do we need? :) >=20 An easy way for Gentoo users to contact other people using the software; given that it's available on Gentoo, and officially dead as far as Gentoo is aware, having the cli interface display that url (however formulated) = is a plus in support terms, and maybe one day getting the package resurrecte= d. A gui wrapper like himerge would display the link as clickable, as would = a suitably configured xterm. So while I agree the empty value in the ebuild is the way to go, I'd personally like it a lot if Portage at least displayed a useful url (and the website was ok with it.) If you're going that far for the official mangler and the site, it seems like something to mandate/specify (I really /don't/ want to file that bug;) Is there at least consensus that the above formulation wrt user-display, = and zero-length, would be useful? (Leaving aside concerns over backward-compatibility/EAPI.)