[gentoo-dev] Retirement

[gentoo-dev] Retirement

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for 
several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the 
direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most 
current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. 
Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at 
bo.andresen at zlin.dk.

-- 
Bo Andresen
Former Gentoo KDE Dev

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug     , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for 
> several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the 
> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most 
> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. 
> Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at 
> bo.andresen at zlin.dk.

Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you 
were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug     , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
>> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for 
>> several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the 
>> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most 
>> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. 
>> Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at 
>> bo.andresen at zlin.dk.
> 
> Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you 
> were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors.

They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the 
direction they wish for actually is.  As a user I get the impression 
that there's some kind of evil Cabal.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Denis Dupeyron]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction
> they wish for actually is.  As a user I get the impression that there's some
> kind of evil Cabal.

Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a
natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills
(and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I
were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of
these retirement messages.

Denis.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Duncan]

"Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> posted
7c612fc60808101640l31e7f248ybf9eeba60c5faeeb@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on  Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:40:58 +0200:

> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de>
> wrote:
>> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the
>> direction they wish for actually is.  As a user I get the impression
>> that there's some kind of evil Cabal.
> 
> Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a
> natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills
> (and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I
> were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of
> these retirement messages.

That, and by the time it comes to retirement, one has generally been thru 
the arguments several times already, the people that need to know why in 
general already do, and there's a feeling it's not worth rehearsing old 
positions and bringing up old arguments the one last time.  The time for 
that has already passed by the time someone's announcing their 
retirement, the decision has been made, it's all water under the bridge 
now (as the saying goes) and it's time to move on, with a clean break, no 
longer blaming anyone or etc as that's what one does /before/ it gets to 
this point.

So, indeed, I'm a KDE user here, and it's time to wish them well...

Thanks guys for all the hard work, the product of which I'm running 
(still KDE 3.5.9, here) as I type this.  Be well, and hope to see you 
around the community!  There's plenty of projects out there that can use 
your help! =8^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Alec Warner]

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>>
>> On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug     , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
>>>
>>> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active
>>> for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the
>>> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most
>>> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current
>>> direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached
>>> at bo.andresen at zlin.dk.
>>
>> Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you
>> were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors.
>
> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction
> they wish for actually is.  As a user I get the impression that there's some
> kind of evil Cabal.

Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where
everyone gets along.
If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to
go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it.

Many folks are happy at the current pace of development.  I imagine
these two folks were frustrated at the lack
of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in
kdebuild-1 and decided to move on.  More power to them I say.

-Alec

[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
>> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>>> On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug     , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
>>>> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active
>>>> for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the
>>>> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most
>>>> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current
>>>> direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached
>>>> at bo.andresen at zlin.dk.
>>> Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you
>>> were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors.
>> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction
>> they wish for actually is.  As a user I get the impression that there's some
>> kind of evil Cabal.
> 
> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where
> everyone gets along.
> If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to
> go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it.
> 
> Many folks are happy at the current pace of development.  I imagine
> these two folks were frustrated at the lack
> of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in
> kdebuild-1 and decided to move on.  More power to them I say.

I must apologize for using the word "Cabal".  I don't know the 
developers who resigned at all, nor do I have any clue about the reasons 
they departed.  Leaving with a "Gentoo is not going in the direction I 
want" is equivalent to "Gentoo is going in the wrong direction" and 
makes the resignation sound political.  I don't get why anyone would 
resign because of the ebuild spec, but anyway.  Resignations in general 
don't tend to be too honest.  "I'm bored dudes, farewell" would probably 
be perfectly fine.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700
"Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where
> everyone gets along.

Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem.
Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community
where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily
be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Patrick Lauer]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700
> "Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:
>   
>> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where
>> everyone gets along.
>>     
>
> Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem.
> Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community
> where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily
> be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product.
>   
You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun 
leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between 
people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a 
few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing 
monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare.

Gentoo is supposed to be fun.

If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to 
keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I 
demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a 
pony. Yes! A pony!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Anthony Metcalf]

Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to 
> keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. 
> I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a 
> pony. Yes! A pony!
>
>
Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from 
my tools.

Thanks

A User.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Duncan]

Anthony Metcalf <anthony.metcalf@anferny.me.uk> posted
48A03F17.3000707@anferny.me.uk, excerpted below, on  Mon, 11 Aug 2008
14:31:03 +0100:

> Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>
>> If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to
>> keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I
>> demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a
>> pony. Yes! A pony!
>>
>>
> Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from
> my tools.

Ooo, and being bit by the pony (or for that matter, anything) in the 
tools is REALLY not fun!! =8^S

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Jeroen Roovers]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:26:18 +0000 (UTC)
Xxxxxx <xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote:

I picked this message as the current last in thread to reply to. Please
allow me to express my sincere distaste at the hijacking of this
retirement announcement thread for (political) profit and/or fun.

To the retirees: best of luck and happiness in your future (current!)
endeavours and pity we didn't get along.


Kind regards,
     JeR

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[George Prowse]

On 11 Aug 2008, at 14:19, Patrick Lauer wrote:

> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700
>> "Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where
>>> everyone gets along.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the  
>> problem.
>> Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community
>> where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should  
>> primarily
>> be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product.
>>
> You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun  
> leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback  
> between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've  
> seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but  
> thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is  
> becoming more and more rare.
>
> Gentoo is supposed to be fun.
>
> If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum  
> to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things.  
> Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee  
> machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony!

GLEP 57. Coffee machine and Pony Needed.

When in need of help, Gentoo needs a knight in shining armour, that  
usually comes as coffee so to facilitate that we need a coffee machine  
and a pony. I have just been informed by amne that the pony needs to  
be pink.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[David Leverton]

2008/8/11 Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>:
> Many folks are happy at the current pace of development.  I imagine
> these two folks were frustrated at the lack
> of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in
> kdebuild-1 and decided to move on.  More power to them I say.

I'm pretty sure that's the least of their worries.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Steve Long]

Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for
> several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the
> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that
> most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current
> direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be
> reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk.
> 
Sorry to see you go. It's a shame if the technical direction is what you
mean, since Gentoo can clearly accomodate different approaches to the same
problem (it is source-based after all.)

One thing: the door isn't nailed shut, even if new ones are opening ;-) Hope
to see you back iow.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

[Santiago M. Mola]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Bo Ørsted Andresen <zlin@gentoo.org> wrote:
> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for
> several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the
> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most
> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction.
> Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at
> bo.andresen at zlin.dk.
>

So long, and see you on the evil side ;-)

-- 
Santiago M. Mola
Jabber ID: cooldwind@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

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Hi Bo.

Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
| My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active
for
| several months.

I'm sorry to see you go, but it isn't a surprise.
Thanks for all the hard work in Gentoo and in QT/KDE in particular. Also
~ thanks for the improvements to the svn eclass. It was good working with
you and I've learned much from it.
See you around.

| It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the
| direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates
that most
| current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current
direction.
| Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at
| bo.andresen at zlin.dk.
|

- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / SPARC / KDE
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

[Seemant Kulleen]

Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say.  I'll give you a
better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling
from the news.

I'll miss you, that's for sure.
-- 
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Developer, Gentoo Linux

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Christian Faulhammer]

Tach Seemant,                                  0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)

Seemant Kulleen schrieb:
> Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say.  I'll give you a
> better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling
> from the news.

 Hey, you could write a praise for new devs...for me e.g.



V-Li

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[gentoo-dev] Retirement

[Jon Portnoy]

I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for 
sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop.

I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can 
find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive.

And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 
has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;)

Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :)

I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

[Duncan]

Jon Portnoy <avenj@gentoo.org> posted
20061103191558.GA5793@cerberus.oppresses.us, excerpted below, on  Fri, 03
Nov 2006 14:15:58 -0500:

> I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for
> sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop.
> 
> I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can find
> proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive.
> 
> And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2
> has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;)
> 
> Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :)
> 
> I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev.

Wow, I think I'm learning what it feels like to be old, and see all the
folks you knew before retiring and going elsewhere.  I'm just a user, but
this announcement stings!

Wishing you well wherever you go.

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