From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ny8Zp-0002XF-0d for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:00:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 104ACE0C5D; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917C5E0B54 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so1838165wwb.40 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:received :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dzdd2A7zju3YBjlbCSynfraMHEINwh7GnpvTTWTFJTs=; b=H9m1fnfRgithwtWG7WT5HyIvA9iseNcFa4tAVCRD13RP2EXHWiRhegysgtnPI5WI4F Ago/QIzNRkc5eAl0n+CQkRoII9gpyBmGYgtTQInwQKvpIoVtERFuV3DB/X+I/CuIyy0T bUqL+OQBmvRWX4s6i6BV8oP/12Fg3uxkUy9G0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WBhx6le2O3Yj6auSsDncVPpANe8cS8ogcdYI2JAsVTYwsCfN0aA4BLlHT++yT9xp9W TdWUCoKSak3wlh6UlSVHzfU5SqVUZcCiogDGmjFXXZNscR2X+VM4Ny90M86fyDtyoetV E/4wmQ2Run9KFJJUO+qh8WJLgoMrKT9Qu3Drs= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: neurogeekster@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.180.13 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:00:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 14:30:07 -0430 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 485d599d3f9938e0 Received: by 10.216.93.79 with SMTP id k57mr2168312wef.161.1270321208005; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process From: "Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e2846320-0aeb-4ae4-8380-51258a5dd4ea X-Archives-Hash: 276c2bfc218ea7f297a80e6227762c99 Hi guys, On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freeman wrote: >> I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Ri= ght >> now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo de= v >> and to help somebody become a Gentoo dev. =A0That means we have great pe= ople, >> but not many of them. > > I agree. So what can we do to improve this process? > > I myself am not fond of the quizzes, and from what I've seen most > recruits find them tedious as well. It can be quite demotivating, > maybe because it reminds one too much of highschool or something. > I took a long time myself to finish them, and that wouldn't have > been necessary, as my mentors ensured me I was ready to become a > dev. And I see the same thing happening with some of my own recruits. > They can be ready, but =A0just find the quizzes a chore. > I understand that quizzes serve a purpose and IMHO, are a good way to face common issues when writing ebuilds. On the other hand, I understand that quizzes are lengthy and could become a blocker in the recruitment process (I have met at least two prospects drop out due to the inability to finish them, being for lack of time to concentrate or because they got bored by the chore.) Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in quizzes be more "exciting" to new devs, then we could still have a strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the quizzes. So, what I propose is to transform the "quizzes" part of the process into a list of tasks the prospect should complete in order to gain the necessary ability to "pass". This ability could be measured in points or just by task completed. Then it gets interesting for them and for us. Those tasks could be to tackle problems from the quizzes but in real ebuilds (prepared by us for this, much as when recruiters ask us to clean some ebuild) or could be tasks created by teams to specifically address common issues in their domain if the prospect is trying to join them or shows an interest on helping this specific team. > Of course this doesn't address the organizational side of things, so > we need to come up with something else for that. This doesn't address them either. But I really don't think this is the main issue that causes the problem :) So I guess these questions could remain in one "easy" quiz. > -- > Ben de Groot > Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer > > If I can be of any assistance in this, I'll gladly help. -- Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) Gentoo Python Team