From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JFqFi-0008MG-Vj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:19 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DBC1E0BDC; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC407E0BDC for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC0E656A2 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 1.274 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.274 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.794, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wMTHEocHD2SQ for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC2065829 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JFqFR-00039J-HF for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:01 +0000 Received: from 82.153.70.199 ([82.153.70.199]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:01 +0000 Received: from slong by 82.153.70.199 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:23:01 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Seeking questions for a user survey Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:29:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20080114123348.GH5504@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <20080115150514.83634594.genone@gentoo.org> <20080117200854.GB5504@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <478FD039.5050708@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.70.199 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: bfbb4904-4f5f-4abe-8f32-6c291b66086b X-Archives-Hash: 727420eef37171c64620e043667f63b6 Joe Peterson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:56:36AM +0000, Steve Long wrote: >> Ryan Hill wrote: >>> I agree, though year of birth might be interesting. Income and children >>> are a bit too private. >>> >> ++ in general although I do think parenthood (if responsible) is as >> relevant as age. A 28 year old with a 5 year old kid has a lot to show a >> 35 year old doctoral student with no kids, even if it's not all >> technical. # of kids isn't relevant. > > Judging the maturity of users (or devs) by how many children they have > (or indeed *if* they have children) is pretty questionable. I know > people who have kids and are pretty irresponsible (that's not to say > most are, but one does not guarantee the other). And I'd argue that > someone with children does not necessarily have "a lot to show" someone > without kids, unless it is the specific experience of childrearing. > > There are many people (myself and my wife included) who choose > consciously not to have children. It is becoming more and more a > *choice* people can legitimately make rather than just an assumed part > of life. It is not selfish or immature, as some people think, so I'd be > careful about implying that such a question gauges maturity. > My apologies if I caused you any offense, Joe. I fully agree that choosing not to have children is just as mature as deciding to procreate, and more mature than simply drifting into parenthood. I suppose what I am getting at is the idea that there are others in Gentoo besides young single males. A responsible parent or a committed spouse has a very different perspective to a teenager. Certainly my perspective now at 37 is vastly different to when I was 18. Parenthood changed a great deal, as did the earlier process of committing to marriage. Which is not to denigrate people who chose not to marry; my godchildren's parents were dead-set about their commitment to each other without a piece of paper. I guess it's the change between being an individual and feeling a commitment to someone else. And yeah maybe it's not something we need to ask anyone, but it is good to consider that there are diverse perspectives within the group. In the same vein I asked on project wrt to number of female devs and was told there are perhaps 3 or 4 iirc. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list