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ESMTPSA id 716E834BAD6; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Disable --autounmask auto-unmasking keywords / masks by default To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, Kent Fredric References: <20191010125323.6acc64f5@katipo2.lan> From: Zac Medico Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=zmedico@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFs7tmwBEADTzG+IcYtRfTfKryU7sUH7LlV1M+TdaCMfIkY4x6RyHXkaaqYuQ+U9HKn0 +m5FcZsZ1Ojik+We3Tz0F6kDbam6EWzBxmsLb/IHeUEsvsuLzuBQjiD9zzqGocZiPWr+uWJs AdbueS72R7FPXJPDUEPrJ9GdhGFyYARveY9cmdisOwcDOiSFfBjk3/89t4gROn4KUhezVuO9 VS14gVSns1561CJjlB47HkSBu4+FuzrfVygg4xitWAH119Ehw0vJcgkTw4Bqhk01Iw9us80m dFyU8JbJ0CVYe30gYKFFbnXoiT6xLLogKOkv0goPFxaXcMwWM9ei3SjAGVqgN6i8VnO7kquV LwkTe6ntEK0iY+l4qTKuyIOQLpCbWNI0eVwlx5b/pY2pt5TEGWAPMCZGjlidMx0aDcVX4oji 2/xegFAcxALrfOX3kj2FZ9kNAqLZu26AfqtslIqlBEAb5sZwPr351msBIdbaWX2UNw21I478 7eQ7UfohwXQHlXdhc/wop3VDkDzLBnvlK4ozSJI/9T5F/+9yEZvc6DKUWdEfD12o2El5hHan 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Zac Medico To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, Kent Fredric Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Disable --autounmask auto-unmasking keywords / masks by default References: <20191010125323.6acc64f5@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: <20191010125323.6acc64f5@katipo2.lan> --KKeB4xUZ7NTHjyvp2mf4x1PGOK4ZfHxVK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/9/19 4:53 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > One of the recurring problems we face in #gentoo is end users coming > to us with confusing problems, and their problems are exacerbated > because their default workflow ended up with them unmasking some ** > version of perl. >=20 > There is already a bug for this behaviour [1], and comments say that > portage doing this is "a bug", but the situations which it occurs in > are hard to diagnose what the "real problem" is. >=20 > Much of the time, what has occurred is there was some other problem, > and portage bodged its way around the real problem by choosing a > solution that should be considered unacceptable, instead of presenting > the real problem. >=20 > Some of the time, the cause is as simple as a single package being > installed that isn't in the @world dependency graph any more, which is > tripping up portage slot-rebuild behaviour. >=20 > In practice, what this currently means is that stable users end up > installing *developmental/experimental* packages that exist only for > experts and gentoo maintainers, and this is an unacceptable resolution.= >=20 > If this behaviour was being triggered by anything other than portage's > dependency resolver failing, it would be considered a serious QA > violation. >=20 > Its understood that portage maintainers want to "fix" this behaviour so= > the problem doesn't occur, but until that can be done, the present > default behaviour is actively harmful, and I suggest it be disabled by > default until it can be guaranteed to give the right results. >=20 > 1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/658648 >=20 I'd prefer to disable --autounmask by default and include warnings about harmful behavior in the documentation. --=20 Thanks, Zac --KKeB4xUZ7NTHjyvp2mf4x1PGOK4ZfHxVK-- --jxTWpyZrAzDhFFxWkSYdS5Oq23sYSlOzo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE8OgXaltWzqgSupCu0HX7jBBKPSAFAl2em09fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEYw RTgxNzZBNUI1NkNFQTgxMkJBOTBBRUQwNzVGQjhDMTA0QTNEMjAACgkQ0HX7jBBK PSC6qg/+OyIhIcWTQvFXJesGPpjlTUS4VMZlpuBA1R/GpB5OGT8iIeAM1Z2SKhZE xSvezkSd/xAY7wwrG4zmh70KEzDLsFlkG2ifrZWjhb7h8xplyF5IrKaouLWF3F7E cCQnlC5x3RxeFX7THcKIp4a/YkQnJHTe1BdbAznQqKv96No9F3utEKS1K2njXsmd B6ZPv/s/C9y9pLUpQNZwCjpyGXSWRdU6mLTfF3AdnXFizSOyHKLZPyX3r+I/7mB6 m58RNeiG1DrSMb/HRYKSiT8TjL+wlpvfXCmyZ9PGKuv6BXTjYphUfDaqIE6xf7W/ 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