From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IATGt-000772-JI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:18:04 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GGH4s2013034; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:17:04 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GGF7JG010777 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:15:07 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC00664B47 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:15:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.574 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.927, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35wos9VJDYcy for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE65650F7 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IATDr-00015W-0i for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:14:55 +0200 Received: from 82.152.213.54 ([82.152.213.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:14:55 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.152.213.54 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:14:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:17:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> <469B5A4E.7090406@gentoo.org> <469B6006.9040805@gentoo.org> <469B76A8.20301@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.152.213.54 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: a89ab7d5-1047-4b5b-a951-75909133220b X-Archives-Hash: 54d0a72a4fa07d1a5b60fffeb73ba1aa Andrew Gaffney wrote: > You misunderstand. I'm not saying that all non-devs can get bent and their > opinions be damned. I'm just saying that at the core, Gentoo is still the > same as it was "back in the day". Gentoo isn't a commercial distribution, > and nobody pays us, so we can do anything we want, whether the user > community at large likes it or not. We ultimately answer only to > ourselves. > Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want, why do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what extravagant demands us lusers make on you? And please don't tell me you're not proud of being a Gentoo dev, and it doesn't help you personally in your careers. You're a bunch of selfish malcontents according to your definition. Some coders know that without users their code is worthless. NFC why anyone would want to be a ``dev'' like you outline. If you don't like it, ignore it. BTW I sincerely hope that isn't _all_ that motivates you, Mr Gaffney. Doing "anything [you] want, whether the user community at large likes it or not," is a recipe for disaster for _any_ software project. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list