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From: Steve Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev]  Re: ML changes
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:17:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f7g5hj$7q7$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 469B76A8.20301@gentoo.org

Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> You misunderstand. I'm not saying that all non-devs can get bent and their
> opinions be damned. I'm just saying that at the core, Gentoo is still the
> same as it was "back in the day". Gentoo isn't a commercial distribution,
> and nobody pays us, so we can do anything we want, whether the user
> community at large likes it or not. We ultimately answer only to
> ourselves.
> 
Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want, why
do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what
extravagant demands us lusers make on you?

And please don't tell me you're not proud of being a Gentoo dev, and it
doesn't help you personally in your careers. You're a bunch of selfish
malcontents according to your definition. Some coders know that without
users their code is worthless. NFC why anyone would want to be a ``dev''
like you outline.

If you don't like it, ignore it.

BTW I sincerely hope that isn't _all_ that motivates you, Mr Gaffney.
Doing "anything [you] want, whether the user community at large likes it or
not," is a recipe for disaster for _any_ software project.


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-16 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-12 20:24 [gentoo-dev] ML changes Mike Doty
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Olivier Crête
2007-07-13  1:54   ` Kumba
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Bryan Østergaard
2007-07-12 20:59   ` Dale
2007-07-12 21:02   ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:11   ` Tom Wesley
2007-07-12 23:05   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13  6:31     ` Andrew Cowie
2007-07-12 20:43 ` Jim Ramsay
2007-07-12 20:48   ` Mike Doty
2007-07-12 21:01   ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Josh Sled
2007-07-12 20:55 ` expose
2007-07-12 21:43   ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:02     ` expose
2007-07-12 21:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2007-07-12 21:32   ` Luca Barbato
2007-07-12 23:39     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 21:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 21:37 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 21:43 ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-12 22:03   ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:10   ` Denis Dupeyron
     [not found]     ` <1184280935.29731.11.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com>
2007-07-12 23:43       ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:21   ` Krzysiek Pawlik
2007-07-12 22:27     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 22:28   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-12 22:13 ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-12 22:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-12 23:57   ` Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 22:52   ` Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 23:17   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-15  7:14     ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13  0:17   ` Robert Buchholz
2007-07-13  0:56     ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-14  2:34       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13  7:20   ` [gentoo-dev] " Togge
2007-07-12 22:46 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 22:55 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer
2007-07-12 23:28   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-12 22:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Kelly
2007-07-12 23:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13  0:50 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-13  1:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:11   ` Duncan
2007-07-17 11:20     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13  1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  1:52   ` Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  3:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:22   ` Duncan
2007-07-13 15:40   ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:24     ` Joe Peterson
2007-07-15  7:14   ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13  1:59 ` Kumba
2007-07-13  2:30   ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13  3:06     ` Kumba
2007-07-13  3:13       ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13  4:06         ` Kumba
2007-07-13  6:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2007-07-13 17:12   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:30     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17 18:14     ` Roy Bamford
2007-07-13  6:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  6:49   ` Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  7:11   ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-13 14:14     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 14:26       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 14:39         ` Roy Marples
2007-07-13 15:08         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:34           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17 11:29             ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 15:31         ` Vieri Di Paola
2007-07-13 18:14           ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-13 17:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 18:28         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:39     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:41       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-14  3:03         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13 15:56     ` [gentoo-dev] " Jim Ramsay
2007-07-13 18:53       ` Chris Scullard
2007-07-13 19:37         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 19:59           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:10           ` lnxg33k
2007-07-13 17:33     ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:47       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-14  0:13       ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-14  2:11         ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-07-14  3:34           ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-14  4:51           ` Kumba
2007-07-14 19:14         ` Ferris McCormick
2007-07-17 11:25     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 17:25   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:37     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 18:04     ` darren kirby
2007-07-13 18:44       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 18:51         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 19:04           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 10:20             ` Will Briggs
2007-07-14 17:25               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  7:54                 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-15 11:16                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-13 12:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-07-13 13:21 ` Grant Goodyear
2007-07-13 19:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:00   ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13 23:53   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Luca Barbato
2007-07-13 23:54   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-14  1:41   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Ken
2007-07-14  5:36     ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-14 16:24       ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-14 17:43         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 20:48           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-14 21:07             ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  3:54 ` [gentoo-dev] ML changes Daniel Drake
2007-07-15 10:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 23:13     ` Kumba
2007-07-16  9:03       ` Duncan
2007-07-16 16:41   ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17  9:36     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matthias Langer
2007-07-15 22:21   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16  3:14     ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16 22:06       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 22:30         ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:09           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:18             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-17  1:00               ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-17  1:34                 ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:13         ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16  6:18   ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 11:45     ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 12:09       ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-07-16 12:42         ` Michael Cummings
2007-07-16 13:15           ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-16 13:47             ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 15:00               ` Richard Freeman
2007-07-16 17:43           ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 13:46         ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 16:17           ` Steve Long [this message]
2007-07-16 17:21             ` [gentoo-dev] " Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-16 12:37       ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:17         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:37           ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:11       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:27         ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 12:34     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 13:29       ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-16 17:45       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 17:49         ` Jakub Moc
2007-07-16 20:55           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-16 22:15       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:15         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 18:16     ` [gentoo-dev] " George Prowse
2007-07-16 18:35       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-17  0:25         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 20:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Weller
2007-07-16 20:12   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17  0:28     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 22:22 ` Torsten Veller
2007-07-16 22:27   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-17  7:33   ` Wernfried Haas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-13 19:10 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 16:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-14 17:14   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 17:25     ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-14 17:41       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 20:46   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-13 20:39 Simon Cooper
2007-07-14 21:03 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-15 16:48 ` Steve Long
2007-07-16 21:57 Ryan Reich

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