From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAPoE-0003is-1d for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:36:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GCZCLA003757; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:35:12 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GCWYRo032615 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:32:35 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17618650A7 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:32:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.889 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.612, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1aKcWqzITHDa for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F57D64F13 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IAPkT-0004UD-3i for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:32:21 +0200 Received: from 82.153.141.64 ([82.153.141.64]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:32:21 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.153.141.64 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:32:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:34:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.141.64 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: b55a0c31-46a8-4ce6-9e3c-4403625105e8 X-Archives-Hash: 5e346a6fecf4eb87bc5939b007dbbd8e Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Matthias Langer wrote: >> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on >> this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is >> becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers. > > Gentoo's always been exclusively for the developers. Nobody's paying us > to do this. It just so happens that the things we want to do also > benefit other people, and so they use them. > It also happens that bugs are reported, and patches provided, by users. Not to mention documentation written, support provided on irc and in forums, which are the envy of every OS out there. Oh and the small matter of defending Gentoo against detractors, the most telling of which are those who criticise elitist ``devs''. Are you really claiming that Gentoo could possibly function as an organisation without the users? steveL -- sick of this attitude (and waiting for the "oh but we're users too"; so be moderated like us then.) Here's an idea: close the dev m-l and have a dev forum instead. If you cannot maintain the level of civility we have to, how can you possibly claim to represent Gentoo to the level expected? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list