From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I9Xw6-0002Vy-Qn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:04:47 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6E33lj7005254; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:03:47 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6E31mNl002895 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:01:49 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97F8651A9 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:01:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.876 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.876 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.625, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tipOGtf1kuz0 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4900865026 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I9Xt5-0003DF-6Q for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:01:39 +0200 Received: from 82.153.141.64 ([82.153.141.64]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:01:39 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.153.141.64 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:01:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:03:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> <1184310715.26227.29.camel@localhost> <20070713083913.4fea4f87@localhost> <1184348466.8347.38.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.141.64 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: d45f659e-be98-47ae-aa04-bf6b079f12f6 X-Archives-Hash: a3c586e0adc2f282bb761785a32b1c9f Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 08:39 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> I just read an article about this [1]. To summarize, in a volunteer >> community, there needs to be more people enforcing the rules than >> people breaking them. A small group of proctors doesn't work -- we need >> everyone to join in to enforce our standards when someone violates them. > > This was actually one of my primary motivators for calling for the > disbanding of the proctors, as KingTaco and I had already had several > discussions on the new list and I felt having a larger pool of potential > "proctors" helped us out much more than the small group ever could do. Yeah, that's why you posted such a clear-cut rational analysis of the situation. Oh no wait you didn't; that's why as a Council member, you discussed it with the Proctors your team had initiated before "calling for their disbanding". Hmm. > Plus, the Council failed the proctors. I don't mean by disbanding them. > Hopefully, they'll see in time that it was for the best. We failed them > by not providing a better direction and clearer goals *before* we sent > them on their way. > No you provided a very clear direction as I recall. The need for moderation of non-devs as well as devs had been discussed fully on the list. The real failure was in slating them so publically, without prior discussion, the first time they ever asked everyone to back off for 24 hours. Really heavy and uncool of them, that was. And now instead of dealing with the fact that it's your devs who flame, you want to set devs up to moderate users. Good luck with cloud-cuckoo land. I guess it's almost as much fun as virtual reality. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list