From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I98YD-0006B4-N7 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:58:26 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6CNvSlK009292; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:57:28 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CNtXnV007024 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:55:34 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AA565959 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:55:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.861 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.861 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.640, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oqueSlpurRcq for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB744658C3 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I98VG-00072T-FQ for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:55:22 +0200 Received: from 82.153.75.149 ([82.153.75.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:55:22 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.153.75.149 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:55:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:57:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.75.149 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 132f3335-9ce2-49b6-a941-c0022c2f489c X-Archives-Hash: 1f86bba73ccc6eb6c4c65379b7e43b3e Markus Ullmann wrote: > Hey ;) > > As an extension of it. What about this: > > _All_ posts from -dev go in CC to -project. Even if the posts are > moderated, they always appear there. That way you can have a (moderated) > subset as -dev and people who want to get their words and fights out, > can do that on -project? > Sounds good. But your devs are not the people to moderate. Nor is devrel based on what kloeri told me about it. If you want users and devs in a forum which is moderated, then the moderators *have* to have authority over _both_ and more importantly a mandate. This has all been discussed before, it's what lead to the CoC (which arguably wasn't needed) and the proctors (who definitely were and still are.) *Face it guys*, you made a mistake in getting rid of them. Running around trying to get more toys isn't going to change that, and all you're doing now is wasting the last year's work on the non-technical aspects of development, and potentially digging a much bigger, much nastier hole. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list