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From: Steve Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: ML changes
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Luca Barbato wrote:
> Tiziano M=FCller wrote:
>> Let's go for censorship! Let's vote for gagging those users who don't
>> have any idea of development and those ex-devs who think they still ha=
ve
>> anything to say.
>=20
> Yawn...
>
Hmm.
>>=20
>> And to give that comment a technical side:
>> - Do you think that any dev will regularly check for messages written =
by
>> users he barely knows and give his ok? Risking being moderated himself
>> if somebody else with magic foo thinks that the post was inappropriate=
?
>=20
> given I don't have much time I cannot tell if I'll be really able but I
> have _no_ problems in modding up emails.
>=20
So, you'd quite enjoy it, you just have no time to do so. Very useful to =
put
this on devs, who seem to be the ones who are always involved in flames (=
to
paraphrase a council member.)
>> - Who decides/defines when a post is a bad post?
>=20
> the same people that did before?
>=20
What the ones you lot just sacked as soon as they actually tried to do th=
eir
job?
Or do you mean the devs who have time and inclination to pick on users? A=
nd
that has happened.. oh no, wait, you mean the hard-working devs who just
don't have time nor experience of moderation?
>> - What if one dev thinks a post is inappropriate and rejects it, can
>> another dev still let it through?
>=20
> why?
>=20
Hmm. Now you're showing just why you shouldn't be doing the job- you clea=
rly
haven't thought any of the implications through. The question is: what so=
rt
of appeal mechanism? Or will it be like irc, where you are loath to
interfere with each others' bad decisions? ``After all, they're only
lusers, and we is l337 h4x0rs.. hehehe''
>> - Why not just make -core o+r if you think that it gets leaked out
>> anyway and leave -dev as it is?
>=20
> core is good as is.
>=20
So how come `dev' trolls spill over from core to dev? Is your sandbox too
small or what? Oh that hasn't happened for a week or two, so all is good.
If core is so good, stay there imo, and talk on here when you actually wa=
nt
to consult your external partners.
Why can't you just keep your private m-l and allow this list to serve its
purpose?
"The list is intentionally not developer only. It is a place for the
interaction between developers and advanced users on what happens in
gentoo. It's not for flames ;-)." Paul de Vrieze [1]
>> - When do we start with the moderation of -project?
>=20
> -project, project's rules...
>=20
>=20
> lu - I don't give a damn
>=20
So kindly don't post. You don't care about it, and you haven't even thoug=
ht
any of it thru to even one tenth of the standard of a forum mod.
/me votes for moderation of all devs on dev m-l and let em keep core. Aft=
er
all, this is where you show the world just how well you represent your
distro. Why shouldn't you uphold standards?
steveL - i do give a damn, but i am completely disgusted at the nature of
this development. Rather than face the fact that you guys should have nev=
er
let the situation get so bad, and indeed should have supported your
proctors, you want to grab some more power? You need to be thinking about
how you have exercised the considerable latitude you already have. If you
think for one second that 300 part time devs (of whom 100 are active) can
additionally cover the work that your users have been doing, you are simp=
ly
delusional imo.
[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/37195 <-- i suggest
you read that link and consider whether users really are the problem.
--=20
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