From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I97Hp-0005bg-Nr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:37:26 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6CMZUU2004124; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:35:30 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CMVd4O030669 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:40 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB076581E for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.447 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.652, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDdiZolAspe7 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287BE657C8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I97C3-0000m9-Tr for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:31:27 +0200 Received: from 82.153.75.149 ([82.153.75.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:31:27 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.153.75.149 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:31:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Watch out for license changes to GPL-3. Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:33:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4690C4B8.4000407@gentoo.org> <200707081350.27220.philantrop@gentoo.org> <1183899969.6634.1.camel@localhost> <20070708164657.4edd8378@localhost> <20070709163914.GB16617@kroah.com> <20070709210720.4583dd06@localhost> <20070709212456.GA22067@kroah.com> <20070710191035.2dfcfa98@localhost> <20070710181130.GA30117@kroah.com> <4693EE1A.1020007@lacqui.com> <20070710204929.GA1356@kroah.com> <1184264665.8615.4.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.75.149 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 682b85d8-8c85-4d5d-9873-fe235f5f5dff X-Archives-Hash: fa7690e926eae052db76b28f2a55f70f Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 10:18 +0100, Steve Long wrote: >> Or is it `acceptable' for me to put GPLv3 on, say, an ebuild I wrote from >> scratch? > > The point is that we don't feel that you *can* write an ebuild "from > scratch" since it will require certain components, which we feel require > you to base your ebuild on skel.ebuild instead. Basically, if it's an > ebuild and not something else (spec/pkginfo/control) then it is based > off the one skeleton ebuild which is father to them all, skel.ebuild... > I understand what you're getting at but when I first wanted to write an ebuild so my kid could use synfig[1], I hadn't even looked at skel.ebuild (lame, I know. I'd heard of it but wanted to do my own thing- I'm funny like that.) I just based it all on the devmanual functions (since that was linked from the forums) and to me that is akin to reading eg http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashGuide and then writing a script (although a lot simpler.) I certainly wouldn't accept that it was based in any way on skel.ebuild. I have only just opened skel.ebuild for the first time while copying all the portage/skel.* files to make an ebuild (thought I'd try it) for medit which can be used by pida (altho it needs a new plugin for the new version.) First time I've ever seen the comments from drobbins in the changelog as well. TBH I got tired of all the comments in skel.ebuild since I am up to speed with bash, and was just going to delete it all and start from scratch. I thought I should post since my instinct is to put GPL3 on anything I send out, that isn't work-related. OFC you require all Gentoo ebuilds to be assigned to Gentoo-- that's fair enough, I accept and support that. It just seems odd that we can't contribute under GPL3 if we so choose. But yeah, all stuff in Gentoo is (C) by the Foundation, and it's all available under GPL2 only. The Foundation can aiui change that to any license it chooses, in the same way as the FSF has changed the license for its copyrighted works to GPL3. I agree with Mr McCreesh however, that it is perfectly possible to write an ebuild without looking at skel.ebuild, as I have done it. The devmanual gives enough information to do so. Please note, this is not some paranoia thing about assignment, nor is it a crusade for GPL3. I am happy that I can use Gentoo, period. BTW _Congratulations_ on the excellent write-up in linuxformat! They gave the new release 9 out of 10. They seemed impressed both by the new installer and the networkless install. _ _ [1] These are the bugs for synfig: you'll see from ETL-20060929 that my first ebuild really was simple :-) None of the ones I put in was based on skel.ebuild. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111277 -- ETL http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111278 -- synfig http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111279 -- synfig-studio http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=1 is great as well, but I only found that link relatively recently (3 or 4 months ago in #-dev-help) [sorry for length] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list