From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I0QB7-0000cW-Bf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:58:33 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5IMvWaW031935; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:57:32 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IMtWkI029541 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:55:33 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C4B64F25 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:55:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.806 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.806 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.447, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id luo2m0Jc9PjN for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0394164F66 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I0Q7i-0005w5-Mp for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:55:02 +0200 Received: from 91.84.98.178 ([91.84.98.178]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:55:02 +0200 Received: from slong by 91.84.98.178 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:55:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:49:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46701D06.5080302@gentoo.org> <20070617140632.GB7280@localhost.localdomain> <20070617201008.66b1340c@maya> <1182191966.14981.40.camel@workbox.quova.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 91.84.98.178 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 81140be5-7e70-462f-87d8-66d7e2e93abc X-Archives-Hash: 51fd609cdb8fcec16c3ea24477f7dce6 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 06:01 +0100, Steve Long wrote: >> Stephen Bennett wrote: >> > Not everyone sees that as a reason not to use a potentially useful >> > piece of software. We're not debian. >> >> Could you clarify whether this is indeed a Gentoo QA issue, or in fact a >> licensing issue? If the latter case, this discussion should prob'y go to >> the new -project ml if and when, or indeed the user forums. > > The "problem" with skype is really a problem with our policy. The > policy is really designed for open source software which we can actually > "fix" when we find a problem. Yeah and that's kinda the whole argument against closed-source. I fail to see how that's the problem of a Free software distro? Further, if it's a policy issue, why are you guys continuing the thread? Oh I see, when it's stuff *you* care about, it's development. Cool. > With the closed-source stuff, our policy > should be a bit more lax since we're at the mercy of the upstream. Er what? Some of us don't wish to be "at the mercy of" anyone, especially not some corporation nicking VOIP. That's why we use GNU software. > Also, remember that our policy says that 30 days is *suggested* before > stabilization. The maintainer has the authority to ask for > stabilization sooner, even the same day the package is put into the > tree, if there is sufficient reason for doing so. > Whatever; the point is y'all were much more vicious about someone offering all the code under the GPL.. Honestly, this whole email makes me wonder why you work in FOSS. tuomov only wanted to be sure updates were issued promptly. What exactly is the technical difference? >> As for potentially useful, so was Internet Explorer, last time I looked >> at what you could do with its Object Model. I still ain't voting to bring >> it to Gentoo.. ;) > > Please refrain from these kinds of "arguments" that have no technical > bearing. Internet Explorer doesn't even *run* on Gentoo. If it did, it > would likely be in the tree since quite a few people would likely use > it, even if just for testing. I know that if I were able to test things > on IE from Linux without having to fire up VMware that I would be quite > happy. > Er let's not get into it. Use WINE or a dual-boot, or VMware, or xen or whatever you want. (It was a joke, hence the wink. Call the proctors.. whoops!) /me wanders off mumbling about hypocrisy, and thinking about !anarchy in #bash.. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list