From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HymN2-0002PO-4p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:16:04 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5EAEtKE006954; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:14:55 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5EACmho004449 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:12:49 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0440E64CC4 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:12:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.401 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.852, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SZcKJT53yrbw for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B69E64CFE for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HymJV-0000bp-Uf for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:12:27 +0200 Received: from 82.152.168.236 ([82.152.168.236]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:12:25 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.152.168.236 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:12:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Keeping closed source pkgs (Was: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:11:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46701D06.5080302@gentoo.org> <200706140128.43094.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> <46705293.90501@gentoo.org> <200706140353.30549.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> <8cd1ed20706140001y6e1a416aj67711e401e99cc8f@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.152.168.236 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 72701df3-2e68-4760-b96e-dea40f12b4d2 X-Archives-Hash: b2675bc5a383f0884d44635bfaf85df9 Kent Fredric wrote: > Gentoo is about choices, one of those choices is the choice to install > closed-source software, or software with well documented evils, the > best thing we can do is warn users what they're getting themselves > into and let them make an informed decision IMO. > Sure, so why is ion3 gone again? That was good software, with total source availability. Consistency matters if Gentoo is to be taken seriously imo. As for having to run skype, VOIP services are now typically of sufficient quality that users are not forced to use it. If skype are arbitrarily forcing the distro to upgrade to their schedule in such an inconvenient manner, how will they carry on in the future? It seems to me Gentoo has even more to lose from allowing this bad behaviour on the part of upstream. Marking it unstable seems the best option, since a user would have to make a concerted effort to install what may well be a backdoor, for all we know. My 2p. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list