From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HyP9q-0002mN-0g for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:28:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5D9R5nq015177; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:27:05 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D9NVQl009364 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:23:38 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4745964637 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:23:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.429 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.901, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253, TW_XZ=0.077] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id atvO9gok-+M5 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D6D645EB for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HyP1Q-0006xX-HL for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:20:13 +0200 Received: from 82.152.192.232 ([82.152.192.232]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:20:12 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.152.192.232 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:20:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20070611021535.GE5778@seldon> <20070611114130.1fe1925a@snowflake> <466D3245.6020707@gentoo.org> <20070611123759.77ba497b@snowflake> <466D419E.1090608@fh-trier.de> <8cd1ed20706110634q149e0f06sa8412d1a88f6ccb8@mail.gmail.com> <466D7FDB.5030304@gentoo.org> <8cd1ed20706111333w200f2c3fyd8349b1d622b34db@mail.gmail.com> <20070612195702.GA22827@anubis.perspektivbredband.net> <1181682747.7723.4.camel@antares.hausnetz> <20070612172313.141aa6de@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> <1181684566.7723.9.camel@antares.hausnetz> <20070612180301.1601aa47@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.152.192.232 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: e80dd992-3494-4f20-b601-3ca1e86b4eda X-Archives-Hash: 25933cb32ce4661d4f9da378fb2c08e0 Stephen P. Becker wrote: >> So (without a Portage tree) it replaces the oldgrown single-liner >> wget foo; tar -xzf foo; cd foo; ./configure; make; make install > > Are you implying that there would be much more involved with anything > currently in the gentoo tree in the absence of portage? > > /me cracks the bell > Er the discussion was about paludis without Gentoo ebuilds, not upstream software, or Gentoo without its package-manager(?!) If it's so great and "The Portage tree is not the only package repository out there..." why not prove it with a whole maintainable OS install using Paludis and zero Gentoo ebuilds? Personally, I'd do Paludis for sourcemage, although I don't know whether anyone would want to switch from the approved package manager on that distro either. Still, since it's so amazing, I am sure you would be able to prove it was better, and it would win on technical merit. (BTW posting links to an external website's code when specifically asked about algorithms on a developer list is bad form imo. It presumes on the time of your audience, some of whom actually work, and might have intellectual property constraints on whose code they can read. In future please just outline the algorithm for the issue at hand, if you have one.) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list