From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HeU6F-00005C-7H for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:42:51 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3JAfqTl025030; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:41:52 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JAdvM4022690 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:39:58 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5CA646FA for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:39:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.525 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.525 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.728, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKLjZwqvp89S for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6B0642F1 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HeU3A-0005pQ-4k for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:39:40 +0200 Received: from 82.153.79.22 ([82.153.79.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:39:40 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.153.79.22 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:39:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Resignation Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:36:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9fce88250704162101y4be89dc3s36bb988944757c62@mail.gmail.com> <46059ce10704170650i1a5a4ff5h22303fd8d6e13ed8@mail.gmail.com> <20070419093956.6371df78@snowflake> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.79.22 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 3dbb57d9-2bb3-4fbd-ab9f-10f61a863e24 X-Archives-Hash: 7450d45fe3ee71768af772deec402db7 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:29 +0200 > "Ioannis Aslanidis" wrote: >> > The real point is that bug-wranglers has lost over 50% of it's >> > effectiveness, again imo. jakub and spanky are the two main guys, >> > and it's not just the loss of jakub's prodigious work-rate, which >> > kept a lot bugs from even reaching devs, but the loss of his >> > influence on QA which is a complete disaster for gentoo. >> >> Add +1 to that. > ...does anyone want another few pages of that kind of thing? Devrel has > for once gotten something more or less right. Perhaps people should be > thanking them instead. > You're ignoring the point made about the amount of bugs Jakub kept away from devs, and the loss of his influence on QA. Quoting examples of his bad bahaviour doesn't change the fact that it is unacceptable for devrel to discuss his case without involving him. Please note this is not the same as discussing a complaint with the complainant, prior to discussing a dev's behaviour as a team. And no, I don't want pages more; I agree Jakub can be difficult. But at least he is difficult in the cause of achieving something real and positive for gentoo. And from the comments of others, *he gets the result*. It's not just me that thinks there haven't been any major b0rkages for nearly a year. Could it be that maybe, just maybe, the development process has actually worked /better/ since you were forcibly retired? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list