From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1He2GL-00024y-0X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:59:25 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3I4vgO1021994; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:57:42 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I4svul018170 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:54:58 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772826423D for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:54:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.261 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.261 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.992, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LG3HoaUCefir for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFE164435 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1He2Bd-0004jp-N2 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:54:33 +0200 Received: from 82.152.195.77 ([82.152.195.77]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:54:33 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.152.195.77 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:54:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Resignation Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:51:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9fce88250704162101y4be89dc3s36bb988944757c62@mail.gmail.com> <46059ce10704170650i1a5a4ff5h22303fd8d6e13ed8@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.152.195.77 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 92a8734e-5a3d-4d10-8db2-ed42e5c3252e X-Archives-Hash: 92bf5f89d3030dbb43ee5bf388fdd16a Dan Meltzer wrote: >> > >> Man first you devs think it's your god-given right to behave nastily to >> any usr, then you get all sensitive about Jakub on bugzilla. That is >> lame, imo. Maybe there should be something about requiring a thick skin >> to be a dev, since you so clearly require it of usrs. > > Please do some research before spouting off. Watch the bug-wranglers@ > alias for a few weeks (its too late now) to see that jakub tended to > yell and scream and make a bigger mess than he resolved a lot of the > time when it came to bug wrangling. That's your opinion, which you're perfectly entitled to express. Others clearly disagree, so there isn't consensus by any stretch of the imagination. Mine is that the issues he raised should have been dealt with so that he didn't need to shout, and more importantly that QA was improved. Which was why he was shouting. And I'm not spouting off: if you expect us to deal with rude devs, they should at least be able to accept criticism from the best bug-wrangler you guys have. If it means someone needs to translate occasionally, so what? spanky did that pretty well in the cases where I needed help. >> >> The classic answer was always "We watch each other," but that's clearly >> not working if you are left out of a discussion regarding yourself for 9 >> months. >> Devrel==HR/Personnel imo. The real point is that bug-wranglers has lost over 50% of it's effectiveness, again imo. jakub and spanky are the two main guys, and it's not just the loss of jakub's prodigious work-rate, which kept a lot bugs from even reaching devs, but the loss of his influence on QA which is a complete disaster for gentoo. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list