[gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[Jonas Stein]

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Dear all,

we have many local gpg useflags which basically just enable gpg.
Should we merge these to one global useflag?

Additionally we have a few gpgme useflags.
See also https://bugs.gentoo.org/679634

What are your ideas?

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Best,
Jonas

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[Michał Górny]

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On Sat, 2023-12-30 at 00:41 +0100, Jonas Stein wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> we have many local gpg useflags which basically just enable gpg.
> Should we merge these to one global useflag?
> 
> Additionally we have a few gpgme useflags.
> See also https://bugs.gentoo.org/679634
> 
> What are your ideas?
> 

We have also have a bunch of USE=pgp and USE=openpgp, both of which are
more correct than USE=gpg.

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Best regards,
Michał Górny


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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> > we have many local gpg useflags which basically just enable gpg.
> > Should we merge these to one global useflag?
> > 
> > Additionally we have a few gpgme useflags.
> > See also https://bugs.gentoo.org/679634
> > 
> > What are your ideas?
> > 
> 
> We have also have a bunch of USE=pgp and USE=openpgp, both of which are
> more correct than USE=gpg.

Yeah, typical case of "formally correct thing being way more difficult to
understand than colloquially practical thing" ...


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[Ulrich Mueller]

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>>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, Andreas K Huettel wrote:

>> > we have many local gpg useflags which basically just enable gpg.
>> > Should we merge these to one global useflag?
>> > 
>> > Additionally we have a few gpgme useflags.
>> > See also https://bugs.gentoo.org/679634
>> > 
>> > What are your ideas?
>> > 
>> 
>> We have also have a bunch of USE=pgp and USE=openpgp, both of which are
>> more correct than USE=gpg.

> Yeah, typical case of "formally correct thing being way more difficult to
> understand than colloquially practical thing" ...

So, how about using gpg as the flag's name and mentioning OpenPGP in its
description?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[Florian Schmaus]

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On 30/12/2023 16.54, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>>> we have many local gpg useflags which basically just enable gpg.
>>> Should we merge these to one global useflag?
>>>
>>> Additionally we have a few gpgme useflags.
>>> See also https://bugs.gentoo.org/679634
>>>
>>> What are your ideas?
>>>
>>
>> We have also have a bunch of USE=pgp and USE=openpgp, both of which are
>> more correct than USE=gpg.

I am always confused when people use "gpg" to talk about OpenPGP.


> Yeah, typical case of "formally correct thing being way more difficult to
> understand than colloquially practical thing" ...

It is only a matter of time until the more users of gnupg-alternative 
libraries, like sequoia or librnp, appear. USE=gpg is probably already 
sometimes a misnomer, and will definitely be one if we make it a global 
USE flag and there are packages that declare it without pulling in gpg.

- Flow


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global USE=gpg

[Jonas Stein]

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>>> we have many local gpg useflags which basically just enable gpg.
>>> Should we merge these to one global useflag?
>>>
>>> Additionally we have a few gpgme useflags.
>>> See also https://bugs.gentoo.org/679634
>>>
>>> What are your ideas?
>>>
>>
>> We have also have a bunch of USE=pgp and USE=openpgp, both of which are
>> more correct than USE=gpg.
> 
> Yeah, typical case of "formally correct thing being way more difficult to
> understand than colloquially practical thing" ...

You are right.
I would prefer the formally correct "OpenPGP" after reading a bit more.
This is how it is named in the RFCs [1] and this is what we mean.

If we use either gpg or pgp it will raise new questions and confuse the 
users.

It is better to write 4 additional characters and make it simple and 
precise.

We can explain all details in the description then.

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4880

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Best,
Jonas


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