[gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Mike Frysinger]

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how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system logger from 
running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd includes 
some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user requested we make this 
the default ... however, i certainly dont want to start adding a different 
user/group for each system logger cause that's wicked lame
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Monday 01 January 2007 10:29, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>   how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system logger
> from running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd
> includes some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user requested
> we make this the default ... however, i certainly dont want to start adding
> a different user/group for each system logger cause that's wicked lame
It would be really nice, especially if the adm group could be used to be able 
to read the logs without using root login :)

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Markus Ullmann]

Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> It would be really nice, especially if the adm group could be used to be able 
> to read the logs without using root login :)

++ on that :)

Greetz Jokey

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Doug Goldstein]

Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Monday 01 January 2007 10:29, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>   how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system logger
>> from running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd
>> includes some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user requested
>> we make this the default ... however, i certainly dont want to start adding
>> a different user/group for each system logger cause that's wicked lame
> It would be really nice, especially if the adm group could be used to be able 
> to read the logs without using root login :)
> 

Awesome idea Mike. And allowing people to read the logs if they were in 
the adm group would be perfect too.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Mike Doty]

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Mike Frysinger wrote:
> how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system logger from 
> running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd includes 
> some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user requested we make this 
> the default ... however, i certainly dont want to start adding a different 
> user/group for each system logger cause that's wicked lame
> -mike

does syslog-ng and metalog have similar functionality?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Stephen Bennett]

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:46:55 -0800
Mike Doty <kingtaco@gentoo.org> wrote:

> does syslog-ng and metalog have similar functionality?

SYNOPSIS
       syslog-ng  [ -dFsvVy ] [ -f <config-filename> ] [ -p
<pid-filename> ] [ -C <chroot-dir> ] [ -u <user> ] [ -g <group> ]
...
       -u  <user>, --group=<user>
              Switch to user.


I'd have to guess so.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Petteri Räty]

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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò kirjoitti:
> On Monday 01 January 2007 10:29, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>   how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system logger
>> from running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd
>> includes some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user requested
>> we make this the default ... however, i certainly dont want to start adding
>> a different user/group for each system logger cause that's wicked lame
> It would be really nice, especially if the adm group could be used to be able 
> to read the logs without using root login :)
> 

Why not use the wheel group?

Regards,
Petteri


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[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Ryan Hill]

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Petteri Räty wrote:
> Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò kirjoitti:
>> It would be really nice, especially if the adm group could be used to be able 
>> to read the logs without using root login :)

> Why not use the wheel group?

adm is the standard unix group used to access system logs.  there's a
few good reasons you might want to give someone those permissions
without full wheel access.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Monday 01 January 2007 19:38, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Why not use the wheel group?
wheel can su (and sudo usually); you might want to give an user access to the 
logs without using wheel group.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:14:17 +0100 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò"
<flameeyes@gentoo.org> wrote:
| On Monday 01 January 2007 19:38, Petteri Räty wrote:
| > Why not use the wheel group?
|
| wheel can su (and sudo usually); you might want to give an user
| access to the logs without using wheel group.

Then don't list them in sudoers or give them the root password.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Monday 01 January 2007 12:46, Mike Doty wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system logger
> > from running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd
> > includes some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user requested
> > we make this the default ... however, i certainly dont want to start
> > adding a different user/group for each system logger cause that's wicked
> > lame
>
> does syslog-ng and metalog have similar functionality?

maybe, but no one has this as the default behavior, so ...
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Steve Long]

Mike Frysinger wrote:

> On Monday 01 January 2007 12:46, Mike Doty wrote:
>> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> > how do people feel about transitioning the Gentoo standard system
>> > logger
>> > from running as root/root to adm/adm ?  the latest version of sysklogd
>> > includes some patches so that it can run as non-root and a user
>> > requested we make this the default ... however, i certainly dont want
>> > to start adding a different user/group for each system logger cause
>> > that's wicked lame
>>
>> does syslog-ng and metalog have similar functionality?
> 
> maybe, but no one has this as the default behavior, so ...
> -mike

Yeah, but it's still a good idea, as others have discussed.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] transition system loggers to 'adm' user/group

[Steve Long]

Steve Long wrote:
>> maybe, but no one has this as the default behavior, so ...
>> -mike
> 
> Yeah, but it's still a good idea, as others have discussed.
> 
Just wanted to apologise for my rudeness there- after all it was your
proposal in the first place. Just been a bit strung out recently, so please
excuse me.


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