From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GYBZM-0001jQ-CP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:10:36 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9D196pY004644; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:09:06 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D161sr014396 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:06:01 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9669647F7 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:06:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.56 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A0byc5hjAd8F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD4964B81 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GYBSu-0003tX-EC for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:03:57 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:03:56 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:03:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1160056361.6289.17.camel@party.homenetwork> <45251647.8080307@gentoo.org> <1160058754.6289.21.camel@party.homenetwork> <45251B7E.9020500@gentoo.org> <45255F73.5000007@gentoo.org> <45256BE9.9030601@gentoo.org> <45260819.7040203@gentoo.org> <1160143601.10578.7.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <20061009101111.6fb6f65f@localhost> <1160676418.6395.18.camel@party.homenetwork> <1160686036.12895.10.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <1160688721.26585.13.camel@party.homenetwork> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.116 (Blanton's) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: db293695-3001-4c25-a33f-02a15baa3826 X-Archives-Hash: b6e71b7df1661cb8bb74ab6501d7d482 Peter Weber posted 1160688721.26585.13.camel@party.homenetwork, excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:32:01 +0200: > You seem to think that the discussion is around you, and your work :-) > > It is about Gentoo, please keep this in mind. Nobody says YOU have to > make the work, or that you are doing sth. wrong. You could do the job, > but you don't must do anything/everything alone. You want that Gentoo > "needs" a internet-connection, and their should be now way to install > Gentoo without access to the web? But it /is/ around him and his work. Check the release engineering (releng) project page -- Chris G is project lead. Thus, if you are discussing Gentoo releases, you are by definition discussing his work. Sure, he doesn't do it alone, but he's the project lead, and as such takes the responsibility for the decisions and the bugs. He's saying there were too many bugs the old way and it's not coming back, he and the others are volunteering, you aren't going to make him make them come back, as long as that remains the case, because volunteers can't be forced to do anything... they just quit volunteering if it comes to that. Now you /can/ do several things to change that, if you don't like it. One, it's free software. The tools are there. You can build your own (more on that below). Two, if you are good at building such things (and working with other volunteers), you can become a Gentoo developer and one of those volunteers yourself, thereby ensuring the solution you want is available to others by being part of it. Three, in the event you aren't skilled enough to do the second or even the first, you still have the option of sponsoring someone who /does/ have those skills. If you are paying the bills, you call the shots. It's no longer a volunteer situation (tho of course someone can choose to contract for you or not, but if you have the money, you can almost always find someone to work for it). > On Question: Is their a howto, a script or a offical guidline how you or > other gentoo-devs build the Universal-Disc's, what must be included an > so on? I found for Gentoo-2005 an unoffical Universal-Disc for x86, but > it presents itselft as Minimal-CD a things like that. So it seems not to > be a good example for me. /Now/ we're getting somewhere. Participation is a /good/ thing, and certainly possible even if you don't choose the commitment of being a developer. =8^) This isn't my area, but you'd start by merging catalyst and looking at its documentation, since that's what Gentoo releng uses to build its own release stages and CDs. The releng project page has a bit more info including a list of developers on the project, and links to the catalyst subproject, with further links to the catalyst FAQ and reference manuals. Checking the IRC page, there's a gentoo-releng channel tho I don't see a catalyst specific channel listed. On the mailing list page there are lists for both releng and catalyst listed. That's what I found in about five minutes browsing the Gentoo site, but I knew already where to look as I already knew the general layout of the site and that catalyst was the tool and releng the top level project, from hanging out here for a couple years. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list