From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GXgPD-00068t-HX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:54:04 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9BFrBnc028501; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:53:11 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BFp9vw009102 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:51:10 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F4B6489D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:51:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.56 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vCgfmERbOgOf for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DC7643D8 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GXgHk-0003QA-18 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:46:20 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:46:20 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:46:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1160056361.6289.17.camel@party.homenetwork> <45251647.8080307@gentoo.org> <1160058754.6289.21.camel@party.homenetwork> <45251B7E.9020500@gentoo.org> <45255F73.5000007@gentoo.org> <45256BE9.9030601@gentoo.org> <45260819.7040203@gentoo.org> <1160143601.10578.7.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <20061009101111.6fb6f65f@localhost> <452A0A80.4080407@gentoo.org> <1160398042.10496.16.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <1160419368.6362.5.camel@party.homenetwork> <1160423118l.10540l.4l@spike> <1160431074.6362.9.camel@party.homenetwork> <1160497461.10595.12.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.115 (Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: f1ca8db4-bdc7-44a0-ae5c-423810e51a83 X-Archives-Hash: facc1a684c4b966a347b6273fa763d03 Chris Gianelloni posted 1160497461.10595.12.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org, excerpted below, on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:24:21 -0400: > There's a difference between "support" and "ability". You will retain the > ability to install on < i686 machines. We just don't want to support it. > This means we aren't going to be pushing out lots of new media for them. > > I have a set of legacy media that I plan on pushing out. It is all built > with the 2006.1 snapshot. The media is an installcd, a stage set > (stage1/2/3) for "x86" compiled against the no-nptl profile, a stage set > for "i586" compiled against the 2006.1 profile, and a stage set for "i586" > compiled against the no-nptl profile. I don't plan on upgrading these > until we switch over to the new multiple-inheritance profiles, at which > point, I'll likely build a set of stages again for legacy hardware. The > stages won't be supported, but they'll be available. That's exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Not supported means lower priority or even roll your-own install media (or simply bootstrap Gentoo from some other distribution), and that it's considered acceptable to close bugs (at Gentoo package maintainer prerogative, of course) related to 586 or lower as WONTFIX, NOTABUG, or NEEDINFO (in this case, a patch, no patch, no fix, patch, happy to). As was pointed out by someone from embedded recently, due to its flexibility, people install Gentoo based systems on all sorts of stuff, as long as there's a GCC or the like and a kernel that supports it (not said but what I read into it). Older x86 would be no exception, and might in fact continue to be supported to some extent thru embedded (if they want to take it on, of course). In fact, from what I've read, pentium class x86 is quite a popular solution for certain embedded applications, so that would be a rather logical way to go. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list