From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GXFAj-0000xM-2r for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:49:17 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9AAlodg019937; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:47:50 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AAicVi024624 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:44:38 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9B76475C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:44:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.56 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oYqS1RX8i4+N for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B886C64366 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GXF5r-00039A-Ei for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:44:15 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:44:15 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:44:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1160056361.6289.17.camel@party.homenetwork> <1160059716.10489.38.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <200610090740.54261.karimarie@mail.rit.edu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.115 (Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 8beabfd9-3d74-45bc-876b-068b252f0ecc X-Archives-Hash: 55f35f71c3af733ef79d309143f9b2e3 Kari Hazzard posted 200610090740.54261.karimarie@mail.rit.edu, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:40:53 -0400: > On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? > > So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer > is more constricting and gives us less freedom--That's not the Gentoo way. What many often forget is that the Gentoo devs are all volunteers. Forcing a volunteer to do /anything/ is... problematic. If they don't want to do it, they simply quit volunteering. By the same token, if it's volunteers that are doing it, they are obviously interested in what they are doing. Gentoo's reasonably open (some would say /too/ open) to developers starting their own projects, contributing to Gentoo whatever it is they are interested in, and also quite open to folks becoming developers if they put their mind and effort into it. If enough users want something the volunteer devs aren't doing, one way or another, /someone/ will pick it up and run with it. That's what the FLOSS community is all about, really, the ability/empowerment to take code and form it into what /you/ want, if you don't like the way the existing project is managing things. If enough users want it, it /will/ happen, because either some of them will become devs and volunteer the time to /make/ it happen, or they'll become devs and fork Gentoo if necessary to make it happen, or in the event none of them are skilled enough to do it personally, they'll invest as necessary to ensure someone else does it. A single user might not be able to do it without the skills if he likewise lacks funds, but a group of users working together certainly could. After all, if this wasn't possible, none of what presently exists in the community /would/ presently exist. It'd all still be a dream in a few guys' heads. Additionally, as already mentioned by others, Gentoo even empowers you to do it yourself by providing the same tools that Gentoo itself uses, catalyst and the like, so you don't even have to start from scratch to do it. Use the minimal and catalyst and roll your own. While Gentoo can't be all things to all people -- that can't be what choice in this context means, as it's impossible -- it /can/ and /does/ provide the tools, as a metadistribution, that allow you to roll your own variation on the theme, if you find that more convenient than using the choices Gentoo /does/ provide. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list