[gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[Mike Frysinger]

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now that the issue with depclean is resolved (the reason we removed USE=acl in 
the first place), users shouldnt be able to [as easily] break their systems

so if we're going to be enabling cruft like USE=ldap by default, we should be 
adding back in acl
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 19:33 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> now that the issue with depclean is resolved (the reason we removed USE=acl in 
> the first place), users shouldnt be able to [as easily] break their systems
> 
> so if we're going to be enabling cruft like USE=ldap by default, we should be 
> adding back in acl

I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it
"up" the profile inheritance tree as the non-acl profiles get
deprecated, rather than introduce this into the current profiles.  In
fact, for anything that isn't a required change, we really should be
doing things more like this simply to ensure that we aren't changing
things out from user people.  That being said, if others disagree, I
don't really have a solid argument against it other than preferring
things stay more static in the profiles, where possible, so I wouldn't
object to it.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it
> "up" the profile inheritance tree as the non-acl profiles get
> deprecated, rather than introduce this into the current profiles.

adding it to 2006.2+ is fine by me
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[Alec Warner]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>> I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it
>> "up" the profile inheritance tree as the non-acl profiles get
>> deprecated, rather than introduce this into the current profiles.
> 
> adding it to 2006.2+ is fine by me
> -mike

You can't add it to 2006.1; it ships with portage-2.1 and they may end
up with a broken system before they upgrade to portage-2.1.1 (would
require using an old snapshot though; but worse has happened).
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Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 02:20 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >> I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it
> >> "up" the profile inheritance tree as the non-acl profiles get
> >> deprecated, rather than introduce this into the current profiles.
> > 
> > adding it to 2006.2+ is fine by me
> > -mike
> 
> You can't add it to 2006.1; it ships with portage-2.1 and they may end
> up with a broken system before they upgrade to portage-2.1.1 (would
> require using an old snapshot though; but worse has happened).

It is *very* realistic that someone could/could use an older snapshot,
so it is definitely valid.  Mike and I already agreed to hold it off
until the next release and to make the change only in that release's
profiles.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Tuesday 19 September 2006 02:20, Alec Warner wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >> I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it
> >> "up" the profile inheritance tree as the non-acl profiles get
> >> deprecated, rather than introduce this into the current profiles.
> >
> > adding it to 2006.2+ is fine by me
>
> You can't add it to 2006.1; it ships with portage-2.1 and they may end
> up with a broken system before they upgrade to portage-2.1.1 (would
> require using an old snapshot though; but worse has happened).

lemme be clear here; people were getting broken systems because they were 
breaking them :P

depclean has a very big warning that was ignored, so people would run it 
without doing --newuse first
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Mike Frysinger]

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oss is dead, why bother going with it in default USE anymore ?  alsa forever !
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Ryan Hill]

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Mike Frysinger wrote:
> oss is dead, why bother going with it in default USE anymore ?  alsa forever !

i think the standard argument is games.  i've never needed it though.

--de.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Christoph Mende]

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No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those
packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation.

2006/9/24, Ryan Hill <dirtyepic.sk@gmail.com>:
>
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > oss is dead, why bother going with it in default USE anymore ?  alsa
> forever !
>
> i think the standard argument is games.  i've never needed it though.
>
> --de.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Sunday 24 September 2006 00:13, Christoph Mende wrote:
> No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those
> packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation.
That requires oss useflag on alsa-driver.

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Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/
Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Christoph Mende]

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Well ok, I don't use alsa-driver ;)

2006/9/24, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org>:
>
> On Sunday 24 September 2006 00:13, Christoph Mende wrote:
> > No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag,
> those
> > packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation.
> That requires oss useflag on alsa-driver.
>
> --
> Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/
> Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Vlastimil Babka]

Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Sunday 24 September 2006 00:13, Christoph Mende wrote:
>   
>> No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those
>> packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation.
>>     
> That requires oss useflag on alsa-driver.
>   
How bout changing this flag to "aoss" and making it new default instead 
of oss? mozilla-launcher already has an aoss flag.
Or wait for per-package USE defaults and use it for oss in alsa-driver 
as an exception.
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Gentoo/Java
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Sunday 24 September 2006 03:21, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> How bout changing this flag to "aoss" and making it new default instead
> of oss? mozilla-launcher already has an aoss flag.
A flag that I don't like at all, as it should have probably been "alsa", but 
it was difficult to implement without proper usable package.use.mask (will 
take time before we can actually use it). This because aoss doesn't enable 
ALSA's *oss emulation*, but uses media-libs/alsa-oss to provide an 
indirection layer that filters accesses to DSP devices to move the data to 
ALSA. A similar thing is done by esddsp, artsdsp, padsp.

> Or wait for per-package USE defaults and use it for oss in alsa-driver
> as an exception.
Yes this is feasible, but for the time being I'd rather not have to receive in 
my sound@g.o folder two bugs a day about people wanting OSS emulation in 
alsa-driver.

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Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE

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