From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GQjN9-00085A-Tq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:39:12 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8MBcHDD016410; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:38:17 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8MBaDlF013553 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:36:14 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF3464776 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06087-01 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C21648A5 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQjJi-0005wL-3i for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:35:38 +0200 Received: from pool-70-17-41-152.pskn.east.verizon.net ([70.17.41.152]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:35:38 +0200 Received: from sw98234 by pool-70-17-41-152.pskn.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:35:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: "Peter" Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Delay in approval of new developers Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20060921175501.GI25921@feynman.corp.halliburton.com> <4512D9DE.9050405@gentoo.org> <20060921213418.48a9a9fb@snowdrop.home> <4512FACC.3080306@gentoo.org> <4513AC06.8020803@gentoo.org> <4513C5C2.3030207@sejo.be> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-17-41-152.pskn.east.verizon.net X-Archive: encrypt User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.429 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2=1.162] X-Spam-Score: -1.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Archives-Salt: d8e614e0-5969-4ff7-9a4d-fb13c6574ac2 X-Archives-Hash: 29cbb6873b7f898a0b3d30969c928119 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:15:14 +0200, Jochen Maes wrote: snip... >> glad you were an exception. >> >> > glad i never knew you when i was a gentoo dev... I know one thing, you > won't ever get a hump out of me! You're arguing a different point. I was commenting on the time delay, and you responded with how difficult it is to be a recruiter. If the delay is long then there is a problem. If you run a business and you want to hire someone, yet you wait and wait and wait, it's quite possible the recruit may accept another position. That's a loss to you. Same with potential gentoo developers. When someone goes through the trouble to complete tests, work with his/her mentor, spend time on bz, etc., the least they can expect is courteous response when they choose to become a dev. Perusing through recruitment bugs, you can see long lapses. It IS inexcusable. Yes, everyone does gentoo voluntarily, but that does not mean less should be expected. It reminds me of the time my 5 year old cousin sadly was in the hospital, and the nurse needed to take yet another blood sample. The nurse said "I'm sorry I have to take blood again. I don't like to hurt little boys." To which my very sharp cousin replied, "So, why are you in this business?" If a gentoo dev joins a particular project to perform a particular task, he/she IS making a commitment to it. The dev should have known in advance what's expected and the time required. AFAIK recruiters are hardly overworked. There is no overfull pipeline of dev recruits banging on the doors. Simple courtesy requires they handle recruiting bugs quickly and efficiently with either a Welcome or a thumbs down. Dragging the recruitment out only makes it harder to get new recruits. They are, in effect, working against themselves and their own goal. > glad i never knew you when i was a gentoo dev I have been recruited 3 times to be a dev, and declined. I find the gentoo hierarchy and organization stifling and the amount of roadblocks to progress ridiculous. I appreciate your POV. Yes, you can't expect too much from volunteers. But, in a worldwide linux distribution, which is run more or less like a business, there is a higher standard that should be adhered to. I don't accept slackers or inefficiency in my business, and nor should gentoo. Why are you no longer a gentoo-dev, btw? -- Peter -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list