From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GLv5K-00089M-ED for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:08:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8958Hdt020043; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:08:17 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8956KuM028935 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:06:20 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B9164918 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29225-13 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD5D6472B for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLv2e-00016c-D4 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:06:08 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:06:08 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:06:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Paid support Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <44F95E3E.9000708@gentoo.org> <44F96559.6010003@gentoo.org> <44F96881.90806@gentoo.org> <200609021426.03618.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <44F988FB.3070001@gentoo.org> <44F98D55.8020706@gentoo.org> <20060902233715.GT32359@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <44F9E46C.8080202@gentoo.org> <1157452829.9994.24.camel@localhost> <44FF96EE.8010605@gentoo.org> <1157637812.10396.5.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <45023138.8000208@gentoo.org> <4502320A.2070402@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.559 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Archives-Salt: b89fd5ee-7b4e-42b4-8d76-6cf7ba2dadea X-Archives-Hash: 517ece879550523ac09b74935d16832b Donnie Berkholz posted 4502320A.2070402@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:16:26 -0700: > Curtis Napier wrote: >> Giving ad space to our sponsors is legal for us to do as a Not For >> Profit because they are donating goods and/or services to us. >> Technically we are not giving them "ads", we are acknowledging the >> donated goods and/or services. Just like PBS does at the beginning of >> it's shows, they aren't ads but acknowledgments of donations. >> >> Basically I just want to make sure that we are not breaking any of the >> rules of being a Not For Profit foundation. The IRS doesn't accept "We >> didn't know any better" as an excuse when they come knocking on our door >> to re-evaluate our Not For Profit status because we are giving free >> advertising to people who *ARE* being paid in a For Profit manner. > > You just made my point. THEY are being paid, not Gentoo. Gentoo receives > no financial support from this, and Gentoo is not offering goods or > services in return for money. I see (and appreciate) his point tho. As you say, we /should/ be in the clear. However, if we use the wrong language on the paid support setup page, then the IRS /could/ find that the corporations are hiring Gentoo developers in a quid-pro-quo of some sort, and that the Gentoo NFP is only an attempt at an illegal tax shelter arrangement whereby Gentoo is just a convenient way to arrange to pay someone more without them having to pay taxes on it. Consider this scenario. A company donates some equipment thru the adopt-a-dev program, that ends up in the possession of someone they end up contracting thru the paid support program as well. Depending on how it's arranged, the sequence and timing, etc, it could look like the equipment donation was payment in kind in ordered to hide the real value paid to that developer, thus lowering his taxes. It could appear to be a tax dodge. As long as we get it right, no problem, but when the risk is loss of NFP status and back taxes plus fines for non-payment, plus possible criminal charges... Let's just say it's in everyone's interest to get it right the first time around! It might cost a few hundred to get a professional opinion on paper, but come an audit a couple years down the road, that paper could save our ass! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list