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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format
From: Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org>
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2009/6/3 Piotr Jaroszy=C5=84ski <peper@gentoo.org>:
> 2009/6/2 Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org>:
>> All,
>>
>> The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for
>> weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the
>> senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54,
>> GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming of them.
>> It's taken me a little bit to step up and put a stop to it but I fully
>> intend on putting a stop to it. The point of the council meetings is
>> to bring up a topic and decide on its merits whether it should be
>> brought into the Gentoo Project or not. I quote from the first line of
>> the Gentoo Council website:
>
> I am the author of both mentioned GLEPs but I don't feel too guilty
> about that. Council had every opportunity to decide upon them , one
> way or another, or state clearly that they don't like this or that.
> Instead, there has been a pointless discussion each time (4c comes to
> mind here). Imho, council should be less afraid to make difficult
> decisions.
I happen to completely agree here. I can't count how many times I've
pushed the council to simply vote on what's presented to the council
and not try to create 6 months of debate and mailing list threads to
try and appease every single person so that the GLEP will get passed,
even if its not even related to the original GLEP 6 months later.
But again, this goes back to the situation where the wrong people are
running for the council for wrong reasons and other developers are
electing those people for the wrong reasons. The amount of time spent
debating something over the pretty look and not over technical merits
creates terrible signal-to-noise ratios (where I consider the pretty
debates as noise and the technical merits as signal).
I urge everyone running for the council to really look inward and see
WHY you're running. I urge everyone voting to look at the candidates
before you and decide if they will do their jobs as the technical
overlords of the Gentoo Project or bog themselves down in the noise.
--=20
Doug Goldstein