From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MCDuQ-000201-Qp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:27:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54BE0E0571; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com (mail-fx0-f219.google.com [209.85.220.219]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6BE0571 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so720072fxm.34 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: cardoe@cardoe.com Received: by 10.204.51.65 with SMTP id c1mr2102068bkg.59.1244125628216; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:27:08 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cfe8f495696f8acb Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format From: Doug Goldstein To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: baed214b-8f49-4d9e-9227-cba68e7504a0 X-Archives-Hash: 35c141f147c7fb62c721483ca37a3777 2009/6/3 Piotr Jaroszy=C5=84ski : > 2009/6/2 Doug Goldstein : >> All, >> >> The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for >> weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the >> senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, >> GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming of them. >> It's taken me a little bit to step up and put a stop to it but I fully >> intend on putting a stop to it. The point of the council meetings is >> to bring up a topic and decide on its merits whether it should be >> brought into the Gentoo Project or not. I quote from the first line of >> the Gentoo Council website: > > I am the author of both mentioned GLEPs but I don't feel too guilty > about that. Council had every opportunity to decide upon them , one > way or another, or state clearly that they don't like this or that. > Instead, there has been a pointless discussion each time (4c comes to > mind here). Imho, council should be less afraid to make difficult > decisions. I happen to completely agree here. I can't count how many times I've pushed the council to simply vote on what's presented to the council and not try to create 6 months of debate and mailing list threads to try and appease every single person so that the GLEP will get passed, even if its not even related to the original GLEP 6 months later. But again, this goes back to the situation where the wrong people are running for the council for wrong reasons and other developers are electing those people for the wrong reasons. The amount of time spent debating something over the pretty look and not over technical merits creates terrible signal-to-noise ratios (where I consider the pretty debates as noise and the technical merits as signal). I urge everyone running for the council to really look inward and see WHY you're running. I urge everyone voting to look at the candidates before you and decide if they will do their jobs as the technical overlords of the Gentoo Project or bog themselves down in the noise. --=20 Doug Goldstein