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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <
ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:49:16 +0100
> Tiziano M=C3=BCller <dev-zero@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3DpPAJXP6shYH78lCXeqRqCUQ
>
> Here're some more easy ones.
>
> First up, un-optionaling some optional things. No impact for developers:
>
> * PROPERTIES must be cached properly (it's optional in current EAPIs)
+1 from me
>
>
> * DEFINED_PHASES must be supported (ditto)
+1 from me
>
>
> Next, some probably easy but long standing features:
>
> * src_test run unless RESTRICTed or explicitly disabled by the user (bug
> 184812)
I'd love to but please look at the most recent comment I've made on the bug
>
>
> * have econf run ./configure with --disable-dependency-tracking and
> --enable-fast-install (bug 211529)
+1 from me. Did we ever test autoconf 2.13 based stuff?
>
>
> * Limit values in $USE to ones in $IUSE (bug 176467). The existing
> behaviour's majorly annoying; time for the package manager to start
> enforcing things strictly.
definitely +1 from me. I've been trying to put kernel_linux and such in my
ebuilds already to improve this.
>
>
> Some things we should probably sort out:
>
> * The list of extensions for unpack probably needs a couple of new
> things.
We also need a way for the actual program being used for the unpack to be
added to DEPEND.
>
>
> * Provide ebuilds a way to differentiate between updates and removals
> (bug 205557), since the way devmanual says to do it got broken by a
> non-EAPIed change. This one's slightly trickier than initially
> apparent, because a solution's needed for the weird cases. One
> example is if you have foo-1:1 and foo-2:2 installed, and you're
> installing foo-2:1. In this case, it's both a reinstall and an
> upgrade. One possibility is a REPLACING_VERSIONS variable that
> contains a list of all versions being replaced, along with a
> REPLACED_BY_VERSION variable for the pre/postrm part.
+1 from me
>
>
> Not sure if these can go in in time for Portage or not:
>
> * Utility commands, even the ones that aren't functions, should die. To
> get a non-die version, prefix the command with nonfatal (e.g.
> 'nonfatal dodoc README', which just returns non-zero on failure
> rather than splatting).
+1 from me
>
>
> * Calling unpack on an unrecognised extension should be fatal, unless
> --if-compressed is specified. The default src_unpack needs to use
> this.
+1 from me
>
>
> * pkg_info should work on things that aren't installed, as well as
> things that are.
We'd need to properly educate people about this because I'm pretty sure a
bunch of pkg_info()'s require the actual package to be installed currently.
>
>
> --
> Ciaran McCreesh
>
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com">ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com=
</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt=
0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:49:16 +0100<br>
Tiziano M=C3=BCller <<a href=3D"mailto:dev-zero@gentoo.org">dev-zero@gen=
too.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <a href=3D"http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3DpPAJXP6shYH78lCXeq=
RqCUQ" target=3D"_blank">http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3DpPAJXP6sh=
YH78lCXeqRqCUQ</a><br>
<br>
</div>Here're some more easy ones.<br>
<br>
First up, un-optionaling some optional things. No impact for developers:<br=
>
<br>
* PROPERTIES must be cached properly (it's optional in current EAPIs)</=
blockquote><div><br>+1 from=C2=A0 me <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0=
pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
* DEFINED_PHASES must be supported (ditto)</blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><di=
v>+1 from me <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-le=
ft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;">
<br>
<br>
Next, some probably easy but long standing features:<br>
<br>
* src_test run unless RESTRICTed or explicitly disabled by the user (bug<br=
>
=C2=A0184812)</blockquote><div><br>I'd love to but please look at the =
most recent comment I've made on the bug <br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
* have econf run ./configure with --disable-dependency-tracking and<br>
=C2=A0--enable-fast-install (bug 211529)</blockquote><div><br>+1 from me. =
Did we ever test autoconf 2.13 based stuff? <br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
* Limit values in $USE to ones in $IUSE (bug 176467). The existing<br>
=C2=A0behaviour's majorly annoying; time for the package manager to st=
art<br>
=C2=A0enforcing things strictly.</blockquote><div><br>definitely +1 from m=
e. I've been trying to put kernel_linux and such in my ebuilds already =
to improve this.<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border=
-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-lef=
t: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
Some things we should probably sort out:<br>
<br>
* The list of extensions for unpack probably needs a couple of new<br>
=C2=A0things.</blockquote><div><br>We also need a way for the actual progr=
am being used for the unpack to be added to DEPEND. <br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); ma=
rgin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
* Provide ebuilds a way to differentiate between updates and removals<br>
=C2=A0(bug 205557), since the way devmanual says to do it got broken by a<=
br>
=C2=A0non-EAPIed change. This one's slightly trickier than initially<b=
r>
=C2=A0apparent, because a solution's needed for the weird cases. One<b=
r>
=C2=A0example is if you have foo-1:1 and foo-2:2 installed, and you're=
<br>
=C2=A0installing foo-2:1. In this case, it's both a reinstall and an<b=
r>
=C2=A0upgrade. One possibility is a REPLACING_VERSIONS variable that<br>
=C2=A0contains a list of all versions being replaced, along with a<br>
=C2=A0REPLACED_BY_VERSION variable for the pre/postrm part.</blockquote><d=
iv><br>+1 from me <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
Not sure if these can go in in time for Portage or not:<br>
<br>
* Utility commands, even the ones that aren't functions, should die. To=
<br>
=C2=A0get a non-die version, prefix the command with nonfatal (e.g.<br>
=C2=A0'nonfatal dodoc README', which just returns non-zero on fail=
ure<br>
=C2=A0rather than splatting).</blockquote><div><br>+1 from me <br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 20=
4, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
<br>
* Calling unpack on an unrecognised extension should be fatal, unless<br>
=C2=A0--if-compressed is specified. The default src_unpack needs to use<br=
>
=C2=A0this.</blockquote><div><br>+1 from me <br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
<br>
* pkg_info should work on things that aren't installed, as well as<br>
=C2=A0things that are.</blockquote><div><br>We'd need to properly educ=
ate people about this because I'm pretty sure a bunch of pkg_info()'=
;s require the actual package to be installed currently. <br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204=
); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
--<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">Ciaran McCreesh<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>
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