Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

[Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org>]

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On 12/05/2017 11:25 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate
>>>> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an
>>>> incongenial tone will have their voice bit revoked and their mail will
>>>> be dropped or rejected.
>>> And what would you do when somebody repeatedly sexually harasses other
>>> members of the community in private after being told to stop, and then
>>> acts as if they're the victim on the public mailing lists?
>>
>> This doesn't seem relevant to the matter of splitting the lists, and
>> would certainly be a matter for comrel.
>>
> 
> What do you do when they keep posting manifestos or whatever on the
> lists every few months, or generally stirring up the community about
> how unjustly they're being treated?  When the appeal is to popular
> opinion, instead of the defined process for handling these appeals?
> 
> Ultimately it isn't that hard to convince newcomers that Gentoo is
> full of backstabbing when you let people allege that and have the last
> word whenever it fancies them to do so.
> 
> The point of prior restraint is so that our mailing lists don't turn
> into the most negative PR imaginable.
> 

The difference would be that you, in your first example, can demonstrate
some actual abuse. In the latter case you're talking about differences
of opinions of how things are run, which quickly turns into censorship.

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