From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FbcPR-0000CN-HQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:54:17 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44Bqsfe025892; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:52:54 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44BmcuN004335 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:39 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98695642B1 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12099-02-2 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580316438C for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FbcJf-0003M1-Mi for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:48:19 +0200 Received: from 143.129.77.38 ([143.129.77.38]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:48:19 +0200 Received: from bart.braem by 143.129.77.38 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:48:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org From: Bart Braem Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable? Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:48:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200604040114.01418@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <623652d50604040212r6f543d37pedb645e979456755@mail.gmail.com> <63052.69.136.169.173.1144147119.squirrel@www.aei-tech.com> <20060404121850.GD6101@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 143.129.77.38 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.2 Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.099 required=5.5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] X-Spam-Score: -1.099 X-Spam-Level: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k44BqshN025892 X-Archives-Salt: 43dee0c4-f1b8-4655-90b6-43b333dd8828 X-Archives-Hash: 2731d0e332ee1ca895b6c85bb2719a77 (sorry if you receive this mail twice, my subscription was not ok) Philip Webb wrote: > 060404 Caleb Tennis wrote: >> historically we were much more bleeding edge with our stable KDE >> versions, but if you've spent any significant time playing with 3.5.0 = or >> 3.5.1, you would agree that they are terribly less stable than 3.4.3. >=20 > Not here ! =A0I've used both (successively) every day > & can't recall a single crash or noteworthy (indeed any) problem. > It's true that I don't use Kmail & similar exchange-type apps > & some comments suggest that is where the bulk of instability lies. >=20 > The fact that KDE itself is no longer accepting bugs for 3.4.3 > really does suggest there's something wrong with Gentoo's current > criteria. >=20 As a user I have to add my opinion here. I have been using Gentoo for som= e years now and it was always fairly up to date. Currently KDE is really behind on the current situation upstream.=20 And then I wonder why. What makes us think we can not trust the KDE devs? Does compiling KDE introduce so many bugs? I mean, let's be serious, all other distributions have a stable 3.5.x now. Don't they experience all those horrible bugs? Seriously, this is really becoming an issue. As I pointed out in a bug I filed for a stable KDE (for which I apologize, I should have looked here first), some people are leaving Gentoo because of this slow upgrade process.=20 The classical answer from devs is "it's ready when it's ready". From a us= er point of view this is very, very vague. Please give users a more clear explanation, this creates great frustration when looking at other distributions. Because it's stable there. These are my 2 cents as a user. One that loves Gentoo. One that loves KDE. One that's frustrated by the current situation. I am a CS so I know how hard programming can be, don't get me wrong there. I do appreciate what y= ou guys do. But I can't understand why you do it this way right now. Bart --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list